In another thread: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=62730&page=30
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Was Jesus a Sissy?
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Also as stated:
Nothing here that says that the [FONT=Times New Roman, serif] "manly qualities" have to be the same for each situation, so the point is moot!!![/FONT]
John writes, that if all the things Jesus did were put into a book, the world itself could not hold it. So, Jesus did much that is not reported. In fact, Jesus did more that is not reported than he did that is reported. So, he may have done all of the things that Padredurand mentioned, but we don't know. Because Jesus did more than is recorded; and much more, your question is not answerable, therefore it is useless.
Just wondering which of us can decide what is manly or sissy of whatnot when it comes to Jesus.
Have you forgot? Jesus was God come as man! HE is not to be judged by our standards. How could we expect Jesus to even think of adhering to our standards? Jesus was tempted in the wilderness and Satan failed and so will we if we try.
Now as far as your concern about Jesus being a sissy. According to to Scripture, Jesus was walking along the beach and came across two fishermen HE said "Follow ME" and they immediately left their nets and did so.
Now seriously guys, even now days I can't think of one fisherman that will stop and follow a sissy just because he said so.:thumbsup:
Have you forgot? Jesus was God come as man! HE is not to be judged by our standards. How could we expect Jesus to even think of adhering to our standards? Jesus was tempted in the wilderness and Satan failed and so will we if we try.
Now as far as your concern about Jesus being a sissy. According to to Scripture, Jesus was walking along the beach and came across two fishermen HE said "Follow ME" and they immediately left their nets and did so.
Now seriously guys, even now days I can't think of one fisherman that will stop and follow a sissy just because he said so.:thumbsup:
I believe that Jesus was the manliest man that ever has lived. And I also believe that if He were to visit with me and I asked him to go hunting for food and a nice trophy, He would join me so we could enjoy His Father's creation as well as the meal to follow- with Him as my guide, how could I miss?? :laugh:
Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.
Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.
OldRegular
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The question is nonsensical. Jesus Christ was fully man. He sweated, got his feet dirty, in fact got dirty like all men. Furthermore, no sissy would take a whip to the Jewish money changers in the Temple.
I also reject the pictorial representations of Jesus Christ. I suppose these were started initially by the Italian painters of the dark ages, I don't know. They picture Jesus Christ as dressed in a snow white robe, sort of floating over the earth, his feet never touching the ground. They also show Him with long hair, in vogue during the middle ages. He was not a Nazerite so I believe he cut His hair as was the custom in those days. The Apostle Paul had this to say about long hair on men:
1 Corinthians 11:14. Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Billy Graham once remarked that Jesus Christ would have been the worlds greatest athlete. Nonsense! Jesus Christ was a man's man, not an athlete. My father was a man's man. Jesus Christ was a carpenter by trade. My father was a sometime carpenter, a sometime coal miner, a sometime teacher; whatever it took to raise his family. I could always see Jesus Christ in my father.
I also reject the pictorial representations of Jesus Christ. I suppose these were started initially by the Italian painters of the dark ages, I don't know. They picture Jesus Christ as dressed in a snow white robe, sort of floating over the earth, his feet never touching the ground. They also show Him with long hair, in vogue during the middle ages. He was not a Nazerite so I believe he cut His hair as was the custom in those days. The Apostle Paul had this to say about long hair on men:
1 Corinthians 11:14. Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Billy Graham once remarked that Jesus Christ would have been the worlds greatest athlete. Nonsense! Jesus Christ was a man's man, not an athlete. My father was a man's man. Jesus Christ was a carpenter by trade. My father was a sometime carpenter, a sometime coal miner, a sometime teacher; whatever it took to raise his family. I could always see Jesus Christ in my father.
Especially Peter!
He sure knew how to fish!
And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes. Jn 21:6
He wasn't a tree hugger either. He may well have killed living trees to make items of comfort such as tables and chairs. He hung with his cuz who wore camels hair and ate grasshoppers dipped in honey taken from bees.
FR7 Baptist
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It's a really disrespectful question about Jesus to ask if He is a "sissy." Now, the real question is did Jesus hunt? We don't know but there's no reason why He wouldn't have. In fact, it's more likely than not that He did.
SolaSaint
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I would never consider Jesus a sissy, could any of us have gone through the beatings and crucifixion He took? I also believe it takes a man to boldly witness to his lost acquaintances of the love of Jesus. A sissy will avoid even speaking Jesus' name in front of others (IMO).
Roosevelt was describing what he saw as manly qualities in a hunter. Jesus exhibited many manly qualities even if they differ from the ones recognized by Mr. Roosevelt. Manly qualities are not the sole domain of the hunter.
Jesus was a man of deep conviction. He gave His life for His bride. Paul suggests a real man would do the same thing for his earthly bride. Jesus loved His Father and communicated openly with Him. He sought His Father's advice and trusted His Father's will above all things. Jesus loved His mother and saw to it she was provided for after His death. Jesus was a man of great wisdom. He wasn't afraid of letting others see His emotions - He cried at the grave of Lazarus and overturned the tables at His Father's house. Jesus told good stories. Jesus spent a lot of time with fisherman and two brothers He named "Sons of Thunder". Good manly qualities I would say.
Where you are mistaken, Aaron is in your assumption that hunters hunt to prove their manhood. Teddy Roosevelt was a rough and tumble man. He found manly qualities in boxing, hunting and having ponies walk through his house. I have a copy of a book called "Bully Father", about Roosevelt, in which we find he also thought it very manly to love and cherish his family.
There are many qualities that make a man a man, Aaron. It is not the ruddy ones, nor the tender ones, nor just the ones of devotion. It is the combination of all of them exhibited through character.
Personally, I believe your thread title to be in poor taste and bordering on blasphemy. The tact to question Jesus' manhood was yours in the previous thread and continued into this one. There are classier ways to try to prove a point. This is obviously not one of them.
Not in the paragraph you posted. Roosevelt was simply describing what pleased him when hunting. He simply said it that hunting required that the hunter bring into play many manly qualities; he didn't describe them. That's what I'm asking you to do. And so far, you haven't done it.
Jesus demonstrated obedience, courage, loyalty, knowledge, virtue, self-control, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love—just to name a few. Now, show me where the hunter displays some or all of these, and I'll contrast them with their true manifestations in the Scriptures.
I'm not assuming anything. You're the one that asserted hunting brought into play many manly qualities. I simply asked you to name them. You seem be having some difficulty doing so in the context of hunting.
I didn't question Jesus' manhood, and it's a perfect way to drive this point home.
The serious flaw in your thinking is the assumption that the appeal of Christ's call was carnal. He hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. There was nothing about Christ's appearance or demeanor that attracted what you're implying were rugged, manly men.
It was His words—the power in them rather.
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You're point is moot. What is revealed is enough to judge and evaluate every situation and activity.
Actually the real flaw is that you assume that you know what I and others are thinking and then go into attack mode when proved wrong.
But, I still love you Brother and I pray for you.
Jesus had these attributes because of His divinity. We possess them because of the Spirit. If your assertion is correct then the attributes found in the hunter will be immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these.
A man will either possess the fruits of the spirit or the deeds of the flesh. Hunting is not the deciding factor.
During his presidency, Roosevelt established the National Park Service, pressured states to enact strict regulations on hunting and was the first president to press for a nationalized health care system. He is known, besides his status as a Rough Rider, as a kind, compassionate man who doted on his wife and children, loved animals and hunted many species of wildlife.
Perfect in what way? I noticed you didn't list absurd, pretentious, grandiose or audacious in your list of admirable traits.