Not true. Adam was created sinless.
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Was Jesus born with same Human nature as weall have then?
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Not true. Adam was created sinless.
Dave G
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What do the Scriptures say about Him?
Philippians 2:6-8, Romans 5:19, John 1:14, Galatians 4:4, Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 1:1, 1 John 4:2 and many others.
Is there a need to go beyond what is written?
canadyjd
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I understand the desire to understand how the doctrine we believe concerning Jesus and ourselves fits together.
I think we must have the humility to realize that somethings may be unknowable this side of heaven.
peace to you
1689Dave
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If you return to the Symbol of Chalcedon it states:
THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON
The Symbol of Chalcedon, adopted at the fourth and fifth sessions of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, dates back to 451 A.D.. Philip Schaff, in his Creeds of Christendom, writes of the Symbol (or Creed) of Chalcedon, “While the first Council of Nicaea had established the eternal, pre-existent Godhead of Christ, the Symbol of the Fourth Ecumenical Council relates to the incarnate Logos, as he walked upon earth and sits on the right hand of the Father. It is directed against the errors of Nestorius and Eutyches, who agreed with the Nicene Creed as opposed to Arianism, but put the Godhead of Christ in a false relation to his humanity.”3
We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
Historic Creeds and Confessions. (1997). (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Lexham Press.
= Jesus has a human body and soul/mind. But his person is God the eternal Son. He was born sinless because he did not have a human spirit as we do. His Spirit is God.
What? Jesus was born sinless because of the Virgin Birth. Don't go liberal.
1689Dave
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So Chalcedon is wrong? The human spirit (the flesh) is born wicked. He did not have it. He is God as far as Spirit.
1689Dave
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Stick with the creeds, they = Christianity.
1689Dave
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You are saying Jesus has a wicked human spirit along with the Spirit of God. = crazy. He has one Spirit, God, and human nature consisting of a sinless body and mind/soul.
The question makes no sense Biblically. Look up “born again” in the Bible. Where does it say “your ________ nature has to be born again” instead of “You are born again.”
Which part of you did not get baptized?
37818
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Jesus explained this, "there is none good but one, that is, God." -- Mark 10:18. Also Jesus received from His mother the same "knowledge of good and evil" from our common human parents Adam and Eve that causes the sinful nature in all of us. What you are failing to see is the "knowlege of good and evil" that is in man the cause of the sinful nature is part of Jesus' divine nature as God. (Genesis 3:22).
No, I am saying that Jesus was sinless because of the Virgin Birth. Turn right & go straight. Jesus is truly man and truly God, Dave.
He did not have it because of the Virgin Birth. They used to teach that in Sunday School.
Chalcedon mentions the Virgin Birth, doesn't it?
No. Without sin (per Scripture).
1689Dave
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But you give him two persons = crazy when he is only one person, the eternal Son of God.
1689Dave
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He did not have a sinful human spirit. He is God only in Spirit.
That is not what Chalcedon says. It lists Virgin Birth.
If you don't believe in truly man and truly God, why did you allude to Chalcedon?
1689Dave
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It also says he is one Person, God, not two persons as in crazy.
1689Dave
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He had a fully human nature and a fully divine nature in ONE Person, God.