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Was Jesus born with same Human nature as weall have then?

church mouse guy

church mouse guy

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1689Dave said:
But you must acknowledge both natures concur in One Person or you wind up in heresy.
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I don't know what you are trying to do as I said that Jesus is truly man and truly God long before you posted Chalcedon which also says that Jesus is truly man and truly God.

If you are disagreeing with Chalcedon, then I disagree with you 100%.
 
1689Dave

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church mouse guy said:
I don't know what you are trying to do as I said that Jesus is truly man and truly God long before you posted Chalcedon which also says that Jesus is truly man and truly God.

If you are disagreeing with Chalcedon, then I disagree with you 100%.
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Here's your mistake. You say Jesus was fully man and fully God. This is not true. This would give him two persons. He is God with a fully divine nature and a fully human nature having one person, speaking as the eternal Son of God.
 
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The sin nature (original sin) is passed down from the father, not the mother. Jesus is the son of God and therefore, He was born free from original sin. He was tempted in all things just as all of us are. Adam was also created free from original sin but he yielded to temptation and brought sin into the world. The sons of Adam have all been born with original sin but Jesus' father is not a son of Adam. Jesus' father is God.
 
church mouse guy

church mouse guy

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1689Dave said:
Here's your mistake. You say Jesus was fully man and fully God. This is not true. This would give him two persons. He is God with a fully divine nature and a fully human nature having one person, speaking as the eternal Son of God.
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I said that Jesus is truly man and truly God.
 
1689Dave

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church mouse guy said:
Thank you! I never used the word fully as you say that I did. You are the one that used the word fully. I never really said much except to lift a phrase from the creeds. Maybe you got me confused with another poster.
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Many say Jesus was fully man and fully God = two persons.
 
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Yeshua1

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1689Dave said:
If you return to the Symbol of Chalcedon it states:

THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON


The Symbol of Chalcedon, adopted at the fourth and fifth sessions of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, dates back to 451 A.D.. Philip Schaff, in his Creeds of Christendom, writes of the Symbol (or Creed) of Chalcedon, “While the first Council of Nicaea had established the eternal, pre-existent Godhead of Christ, the Symbol of the Fourth Ecumenical Council relates to the incarnate Logos, as he walked upon earth and sits on the right hand of the Father. It is directed against the errors of Nestorius and Eutyches, who agreed with the Nicene Creed as opposed to Arianism, but put the Godhead of Christ in a false relation to his humanity.”3



We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.


Historic Creeds and Confessions. (1997). (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Lexham Press.

= Jesus has a human body and soul/mind. But his person is God the eternal Son. He was born sinless because he did not have a human spirit as we do. His Spirit is God.
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Jesus has all that we do as humans, save for sinless perfect humanity state!
 
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Yeshua1

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1689Dave said:
You are saying Jesus has a wicked human spirit along with the Spirit of God. = crazy. He has one Spirit, God, and human nature consisting of a sinless body and mind/soul.
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Jesus has all that we do, save he was unaffected by fall and was in his humanity sinless!
 
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