Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

[savedbymercy]

dhk

God is able to do many things, but that doesn't mean he will.

You say if Christ did not come in mary's sinful flesh and blood then He was not human or He was not flesh and blood.

Christ was a Human Being, a real Human being with Flesh and Blood, But He did not get it from mary, neither did the First Adam receive human genetics from a woman, Neither Adam did !

Christ, the Last Adam, became a baby to pass through all the physical experiences of His Sheep. The only difference is that the First Adam was made already an Adult, all the other elect would enter through child birth, so Jesus Christ had to be made perfect in His Human experience of each Elect, so He was born out of a woman, However, Just as the First Adam did not need anything from a woman to be made real flesh and blood, neither did Christ, but He did need to pass through all the experiences of all the other elect subsequent to Adam. Heb 4:15

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Adam never experienced childhood temptations as the rest of the elect !

Now to say that Jesus Christ, the Last Adam had to receive flesh and blood from mary to be a real human being shows lack of faith in God's Ability, and disregards the Fact that the First Adam was Flesh and Blood without mary or any other woman.

You base your faith on natural science, and not the word of God !

 

[DHK]

dhk



You say if Christ did not come in mary's sinful flesh and blood then He was not human or He was not flesh and blood.

Christ was a Human Being, a real Human being with Flesh and Blood, But He did not get it from mary, neither did the First Adam receive human genetics from a woman, Neither Adam did !

We have a dog. Its parents live in a town north of here. The dog inherited its flesh and blood from its parents. But wait, the dog that God created in Genesis chapter one, did not get his flesh and blood from another dog. Therefore that created dog wasn't a dog. Well if that dog didn't get its flesh and blood from any other dog, then neither did my dog, did he??
That is your reasoning. It is circular and illogical.
You are denying the special creation of Genesis one, and using it as an excuse to circumvent the human birth of Christ. If that were the case we could use the creation as an "excuse" to circumvent the "human" birth of us all, and simply declare that we all are aliens.
You are not even logical in your arguments.

Here is what the Bible says:
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
--It talks of Abraham not Adam. He took upon himself the seed or the flesh of Abraham, not Adam. It is speaking of physical nature here as he is being contrasted to the nature of angels. He was a spirit in heaven, higher than the angels. Then he made himself lower then the nature of angels (lower then spirits), and confined himself to a body--starting with the conception of Mary.

Christ, the Last Adam, became a baby to pass through all the physical experiences of His Sheep. The only difference is that the First Adam was made already an Adult, all the other elect would enter through child birth, so Jesus Christ had to be made perfect in His Human experience of each Elect, so He was born out of a woman

Born out of a woman, and born of a woman. His flesh came from Mary for he was conceived of her as the Bible says He was.

, However, Just as the First Adam did not need anything from a woman to be made real flesh and blood, neither did Christ, but He did need to pass through all the experiences of all the other elect subsequent to Adam. Heb 4:15

The Creation of Adam is a red herring and has nothing to do with the virgin birth. They are two different subjects. Christ was conceived of Mary and even from the seed of a woman through the womb right until death he endured and suffered all things that man would that he would be qualified as our Great High Priest.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Born out of a woman, and born of a woman.

Yes born out of a woman, not from a woman !

The Creation of Adam is a red herring

No its not, He is a Type and figure Of Christ Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Christ is the Last Adam 1 Cor 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

This is the inspired word of God you are calling a red herring !

 

[The Biblicist]

dhk



You say if Christ did not come in mary's sinful flesh and blood then He was not human or He was not flesh and blood.

DHK is not saying that. You are placing words in his mouth to fit your own theology. Mary has no ability to pass on her own sinfulness by her human egg. What makes the human nature corrupted is indwelling sin. It is the Father's seed joined to the mother's egg that makes the human nature corrupted by indwelling sin. The mother's egg is not corrupted by indwelling sin but the mother's egg has equal chromozones and thus contains the human nature in an incorrupted form. What corrupts the human nature as found in the mother's egg is it being joined with the seed of the Father wherein indwelling sin's corruptive nature is "passed" from generation to generation. Hence, Mary is not passing on her OWN corruption because her "egg" is incapable of passing on that corruption EXCEPT when the egg is joined to the seed of the Father. The incarnation completely avoids indwelling sin while providing sinless human nature for Christ.

This is why the promise is of "her seed" not the seed of the man - Gen. 3:15. This why the egg within her body obtained conception of life by God not by fertilization through the "seed" of man. Yet, because Mary was of the "seed" of Adam and of the "seed" of Abraham and of the "seed" of David, thus Christ also through Mary was of the "seed" of Adam, Abraham, and David.

 

[savedbymercy]

bib

Mary has no ability to pass on her own sinfulness by her human egg.

First of all, Christ is not from her egg !

The mother's egg is not corrupted by indwelling sin

Says who ? The Mother is sinful. What you are saying is that if any person would have come out of mary without the assistance of the male sperm or any woman for that matter, they would be sinless. You have no biblical grounds for such a assertion.

However, Christ was not from mary's egg ! There is not one shred of biblical proof of that.

Scripture is very plain that , what she conceived was of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

The word of here is ek the prep that means :

out of, from, by, away from

Its a primary prep denoting origin !

That which was conceived in her did not originate out of her egg, its source was the Holy Ghost.

The word conceive merely means, brought forth by her or born by her, or delivered by her.

The english word also adds :


to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.

2.
to form a notion or idea of; imagine.

3.
to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.

4.
to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for

The Idea is that of forming or formulate. That is the Christ Child in her from the Holy Ghost was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Phil 2:6

6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Mary by God's intervention did Two things, Gave Christ the form of a Servant, and made Him in the likeness of sinful flesh. Thats it. He did not receive one thing from her, what he already was , was Just formed or shaped into the form and likeness God appointed.

Nothing you have said is substantiated by scripture, but everything I have stated has been collaborated by scripture !

You are teaching the doctrines of men, humanism !

Now this is the second or third time I have refuted your foolishness about Christ coming out of the egg of mary !

 

[DHK]

bib
First of all, Christ is not from her egg !

"made of the seed of a woman" (Gal.4:4. See also Gen.3:15)
--This was a miraculous event. The Bible indicates that He was conceived of Mary; conceived of the Holy Spirit. Both are used. No doubt God Himself fertilized the egg, which is referred to as "the seed." God used Mary--her flesh, her blood to bring for the body of the Lord Jesus Christ which housed God in the flesh. He was fully man and fully God at the same time. It could be no other way. That is why He was virgin born, so that He would escape the sin nature of man, which is passed through man (otherwise called the Adamic nature).

Says who ? The Mother is sinful. What you are saying is that if any person would have come out of mary without the assistance of the male sperm or any woman for that matter, they would be sinless. You have no biblical grounds for such a assertion.

You have no grounds for saying (and blasphemously so) that the Holy Spirit is sinful. The Adamic nature is passed through the male. The Holy Spirit played that part. That is why Christ remained sinless. But you say he wasn't sinless because of Mary. Not so. Mary does not play that role. The male or the Holy Spirit does. Why are you attributing sin to God??

However, Christ was not from mary's egg ! There is not one shred of biblical proof of that.

--"born of the seed of a woman", "conceived of Mary", "conceived of the Holy Spirit"
--That is plenty of evidence for me. Why do you reject it? To conceive there must be an egg.

Scripture is very plain that , what she conceived was of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20

For conception to take place there must be a fertilized egg. Go and study a biology book.

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

The word of here is ek the prep that means :

out of, from, by, away from

Its a primary prep denoting origin !

That which was conceived in her did not originate out of her egg, its source was the Holy Ghost.

The word conceive merely means, brought forth by her or born by her, or delivered by her.

The source was both the Holy Spirit and Mary. It took both. That is what conception is all about. Go study a biology book.

The english word also adds :

to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.

2. to form a notion or idea of; imagine.

3. to hold as an opinion; think; believe: I can't conceive that it would be of any use.

4. to experience or form (a feeling): to conceive a great love for

The Idea is that of forming or formulate. That is the Christ Child in her from the Holy Ghost was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/quote]
It was in the likeness of sinful flesh because though human flesh it was, it was not sinful. That was the likeness.

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Mary by God's intervention did Two things, Gave Christ the form of a Servant, and made Him in the likeness of sinful flesh. Thats it. He did not receive one thing from her, what he already was , was Just formed or shaped into the form and likeness God appointed.[/quote]
He received a body from her--flesh and blood that was conceived of the Holy Spirit and therefore without sin.

Nothing you have said is substantiated by scripture, but everything I have stated has been collaborated by scripture !

You are teaching the doctrines of men, humanism !

Now this is the second or third time I have refuted your foolishness about Christ coming out of the egg of mary !

Actually you cannot substantiate what you believe from Scripture.
It is a combination of Mormonism, Gnosticism, and your own vain philosophy. It is outside the realm of Orthodox Christianity. You are completely on your own here.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

"made of the seed of a woman" (Gal.4:4. See also Gen.3:15)

That says nothing about Christ coming from mary's egg ! Jesus was of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

You deny that ? You deny Truth !

 

[DHK]

dhk



That says nothing about Christ coming from mary's egg ! Jesus was of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

You deny that ? You deny Truth !

No, but you deny it.
Science and the Bible are in harmony at this point. Go to a biology book.
Look at that which you have bolded. It takes two to bring about conception. Mary was a virgin, but nevertheless provided one part. As it says, "that which is conceived in her." The Holy Spirit provided the other: "is of the Holy Ghost." His human nature came from Mary; His divine nature was of the Holy Spirit.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

No, but you deny it.

No you do, and teach contrary to it.