Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

[savedbymercy]

dhk

More of your Mormonism, Gnosticism, and vain philosophy.

If that is what you call the Truth of God, fine ! You have no other recourse at this point !

You see that folks, he calls the fact that Adam was Created Flesh and Blood without a Human mother all those names !

 

[DHK]

dhk



If that is what you call the Truth of God, fine ! You have no other recourse at this point !

You see that folks, he calls the fact that Adam was Created Flesh and Blood without a Human mother all those names !

I gave you Scripture after Scripture. You failed to answer my post, but simply answered with a personal attack.
Here is how it breaks down.

1. You believe the sin nature is actually in the flesh--the blood, the actual flesh--carbon, nitrogen, iron, oxygen, etc. It is a belief that matter is evil.
That is a belief that the Gnostics hold.

2. You believe that even before creation Jesus had a physical body. Mormons believe that God used to be a man; used to have a physical body. You belief here is akin to Mormonism.

3. You don't believe that the humanity of Christ came from Mary. In effect you are denying the humanity of Christ. Not only do you deny the humanity of Christ you deny the actual incarnation. [God come in the flesh] or "the en-fleshment" of God. The flesh came from Mary.

4. When one denies the humanity of Christ they are on the way to denying the deity of Christ. Christ was fully man and fully God at the same time. You take away one, you take away the other.

5. You have disqualified Christ from his mediatorial ministry in heaven, which is only possible if he suffered fully, in every aspect as a man. That would include as an infant from conception onward. But you deny the full humanity of Christ.

6. Jesus did not qualify as our Great High Priest until after he suffered and died for us on the cross. Yet you say he was our mediator from the time of Adam onward. This also is unbiblical. We see from the OT, that Abel and Cain brought their sacrifices right to God himself. Christ did not mediate for them.

These are only some of the heresies that you have spread on this thread.

 

[savedbymercy]

If Christ received His Body from Mary, it was but dust and corruptible. Even Eves flesh before being tried and her Transgression was weak and corruptible and unfit; It could not have been used in the saving Purpose of the Redeemer, let alone the flesh of sinful Mary, that is just utter blasphemy !

 

[DHK]

If Christ received His Body from Mary, it was but dust and corruptible. Even Eves flesh before being tried and her Transgression was weak and corruptible and unfit; It could not have been used in the saving Purpose of the Redeemer, let alone the flesh of sinful Mary, that is just utter blasphemy !

Jesus received his body from Mary. It was a corruptible body. It tired, hungered, thirsted, just like any other man's body. It was tortured and beaten. When he was scourged chunks of flesh were torn from his body. They fell to the ground, degraded and turned into dust. It was a corruptible body. As the blood started to flow, it flowed off of him onto the ground, and the ground absorbed it. Some of it evaporated; the ground absorbed the rest of it, it being mixed with the chemicals of the earth. His blood was corruptible. Both the flesh and blood were corruptible. They were made up of chemicals, just as the earth is made of chemicals. You can find them all on the Periodic Table. There is nothing sinful in the Periodic Table. There is nothing sinful in "flesh" per se.

Perhaps some of the Corinthians had some of your ideas.
Listen to what Paul had to say to them:

1 Corinthians 15:35-36 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
--The corruptible body that Christ had, had to die in order to become incorruptible.
(The same is true of us also).

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
-- So it was with Christ. He had a corruptible body, a body of flesh and blood like any other man. A body that suffered. When he rose from the dead he rose in incorruption, a body with no corruption.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
--The mortal body of Jesus put on immortality when he rose from the dead.
The same will happen to us when the resurrection takes place.
Jesus Christ was the firstruits of the resurrection.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Jesus received his body from Mary.

No He did not. Not the Jesus from Heaven !

It was a corruptible body.

Blasphemy, its manifesting real good now !

 

[DHK]

dhk

No He did not. Not the Jesus from Heaven !

Blasphemy, its manifesting real good now !

Try answering the post instead of hurling insults. Are you able to answer it; the Scripture given, especially? Why not give it a try?

 

[savedbymercy]

Try answering the post instead of hurling insults. Are you able to answer it; the Scripture given, especially? Why not give it a try?

I did answer it. You said Jesus had a corruptible body ! That is blasphemy sir. Christ was that incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23 !

Hungering and thirsting are not corruptions. You are merely making statements that are unsubstantiated. Prove with scripture that Christ had a corruptible body. Christ body never saw corruption Ps 16:10

All you have done is wrest scripture to your own destruction with those verses in Corinthians ! And no, I will not unravel that mess you have made of scripture to prove what is not there !

 

[DHK]

I did answer it. You said Jesus had a corruptible body ! That is blasphemy sir. Christ was that incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23 !

John 3:5, Jesus says we must be born of the Holy Spirit.
1Pet.1:23, Peter says we must be born of the Word of God.
One cannot be saved without the Holy Spirit working through the Word of God. Both the Word of God and the Holy Spirit are necessary in the new birth. That is what those two scriptures teach. 1Pet.1:23 is not a reference to Christ, but to the Word of God. Stop twisting the Scriptures.

Hungering and thirsting are not corruptions. You are merely making statements that are unsubstantiated. Prove with scripture that Christ had a corruptible body. Christ body never saw corruption Ps 16:10

In heaven there will be no more hunger, weariness, etc., the same human deficiencies that Christ had on this earth, the same that we face today. Our bodies are not perfect. The Bible says "We wait for the redemption of our bodies."
Christ's resurrected body never saw corruption.
Use common sense here.
He died. On the third day he rose again. Where was his body for three days and three nights? It was in the grave. What condition was it in before it was placed there?

Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
--His appearance was so changed, so "corrupted" more than any other man, and is "form" more than the sons of men. He was unrecognizable, and this before he was placed in the grave. His body had already faced corruption. You have a wrong interpretation of the verse.
That corrupted body lay in the grave for three days and three nights. Then he arose with a new body, a resurrected body. And that body would and will never see corruption as I said in my previous post.

All you have done is wrest scripture to your own destruction with those verses in Corinthians ! And no, I will not unravel that mess you have made of scripture to prove what is not there !

You won't answer the Scripture because you can't.
Just like on the other thread you won't answer Romans 4:4,5 because you can't.

 

[savedbymercy]

The Lord Jesus Christ's Body was not corruptible, however it did endure sinless infirmities. Though I may not prove it through scripture, yet i do not believe Jesus Christ not once as much as caught a cold ! I do not believe He was ever sick. Yes, He could suffer, be inflicted, but thats not corruption. His Body was mortal, but not corruptible. You cannot mix mortality with corruptness. The corruptness comes from sin. If adam never had sinned he would have lived forever in a physical life of the earthly nature. The mortality that Christ took on had its limits, because He was not a sinner, and so God would not allow mortality to set in to the degree of other men who were sinners and allow Christ's Body to decay or see corruption. John Gill writes of Ps 16:10

that is, to lie so long in the grave as to putrefy and be corrupted; wherefore he was raised from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures, before the time bodies begin to be corrupted; see (John 11:39) ; and this was owing not to the care of Joseph or Nicodemus, in providing spices to preserve it, but of God who raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; and who would not suffer his body to be corrupted, because he was holy, and because he was his Holy One; that so as there was no moral corruption in him, there should be no natural corruption in him; so the Jewish Midrash F23 interprets it, that


``no worm or maggot should have power over him;''

which is not true of David, nor of any but the Messiah. This character of "Holy One" eminently belongs to Christ above angels and men, yea, it is often used of the divine Being, and it agrees with Christ in his divine nature, and is true of him as man

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

John 3:5, Jesus says we must be born of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, but He didn't have to be !

1Pet.1:23, Peter says we must be born of the Word of God.

Thats Jesus, the Logos, the Word of God. All the Elect had Life Given in Him in Seed substance Jn 1:4

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

This Life is Spiritual Life that comes out of Him to His Church, whenever one is born again. That Life out of Him is communicated to them by the Spirit, He gives them New Birth out of the Incorruptible Seed, Christ !

I go into detail on these issues in my Born Again Thread. However, none of this will make Jesus to have received the sinful flesh and blood from mary !

In heaven there will be no more hunger, weariness, etc., the same human deficiencies that Christ had on this earth, the same that we face today.

Maybe Not, I have study that scripture in Rev 7:16 , that could mean the extreme hungering and thirsting for Christ's Sake that many Christians endured as persecution as Paul stated 1 Cor 4:11

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;

John writing that in Rev 7:16 was probably to comfort other Christians that were going through similar trials by roman persecution for their faith !

Christ may have had a reasonable hunger when He sat down and ate fish with His Disciples after His Resurrection Lk 24:41-43

41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43And he took it, and did eat before them. Was His Eating a deficiency ?

 

[DHK]

However, none of this will make Jesus to have received the sinful flesh and blood from mary !

If Jesus was fully human he had human flesh. It is that simple. If his flesh was not from Mary then the Bible is telling a lie, and he was not fully human. It is that simple. Either he was a man or not. Which is it?

Regarding the term "corruption," it is used in two different senses.
It is used in the sense of decay, corrupt, degrade, etc. That is in the sense of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. A baby is subject to that law as soon as it is born. You buy a car, and the minute you drive it off the lot it loses its retail value. Over time the car gets scratches, dents, breaks down, and eventually you need a new one. Eventually the human body gets old and dies.

When Adam sinned the entire creation was put under the curse. Thorns and thistles would grow on the earth. The harmony of nature was interrupted. Mosquitoes would start attacking man. And I am sure that just because Christ walked the face of the earth, that the mosquitoes didn't leave him alone. He got bit and suffered like any other person. He was in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights. He would have faced many hardships during that time, sufferings, infirmities of different sorts. It was so difficult that at the end of the 40 days angels came and ministered unto him.

The decay or degradation of the body is as simple as being cut, wounded, etc. The body faces corruption every day. Jesus body faced corruption especially as he died and shed his blood. That is corruption.

Then corruption is used in a second sense. What remained of his already corrupted body was wrapped and preserved. That body would not decay any further. The preservatives used would not allow the flies, the maggots, etc. to eat into the corpse. In that sense his body saw no corruption. Before his body started to reach any degree of decay he arose from the dead with a new resurrected body.
However, he lived in a body subject to decay, subject to corruption all the while he lived on the earth. That is what made him a man. He was wholly man, as he was wholly God, and woe be to him that takes away or denies the humanity of Christ.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

If Jesus was fully human he had human flesh. It is that simple.

Yes He did, but He did not get it from mary, just like Adam did not get it from a woman. Was Adam fully Human or No ?

 

[Crabtownboy]

It would be helpful if we had Mary and Jesus' DNA. That would settle this entire silly question.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

We have God's clear testimony in His Word by no less that two genealogies and are told He took upon Himself the 'seed' of Abraham. They won't accept that, so do you honestly believe they would accept a DNA test? I would not think so. Presuppositions clearly stand in the way of truth.

 

[savedbymercy]

hp

He took upon Himself the 'seed' of Abraham

Yes He did, however that does not say anything about receiving flesh and blood from Mary !

 

[DHK]

hp

Yes He did, however that does not say anything about receiving flesh and blood from Mary !

Yes it does. Seed speaks to genealogy. It also speaks to physical descendant. She was a physical descendant of Abraham. She had the physical seed of Abraham, as Christ was born of Mary, the seed of the woman.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

She was a physical descendant of Abraham

Yes, and Christ came out of Her, but not from her, I have already went over that earlier !

And Christ is not from Abraham's Loins or Mary's Egg !

 

[DHK]

dhk



Yes, and Christ came out of Her, but not from her, I have already went over that earlier !

Simply saying it doesn't make it true. The Scripture indicates that she not only came out of her but was of her; of the seed of the woman. She was conceived of Mary. Isaiah 7:14 "For a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son..."
Words are not written in vain. A virgin conceived. That means the flesh and blood were of the virgin. "made of the seed of the woman" is another phrase that answers directly to the flesh and blood of the woman, and yet you deny all of these. The denial of these direct references are simply a denial of the humanity of Christ.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Simply saying it doesn't make it true.

I have established it with scripture, check the Thread, you have rejected it. God can raise up seed to Abraham any way He wants to. Matt 3:9

9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[DHK]

dhk

I have established it with scripture, check the Thread, you have rejected it. God can raise up seed to Abraham any way He wants to. Matt 3:9

9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Look at the differences in these statements:
1. "God is able of these stones to raise up children...."
2. "God is able to send 12 legions of angels..."
3. "Not my will but thy will be done."

God is able to do many things, but that doesn't mean he will.
He acts according to his will and nature, and according to His Word.
Christ came to do the will of his Father. The will of his Father was not to take stones to raise up for children to Abraham. Jesus only said that his Father had the power to do that.

It is a mistake to say that God can do anything he wants. No, he cannot. He confines himself by his nature, his will, his Word.
For example God cannot lie. He confines himself by his nature.
Someday all Israel (the remnant) will be saved. He confines himself by the promises of his word.

He has established in his word that Christ was born of a virgin called Mary, and that Christ was fully human. You deny this. He suffered as every man suffered, even in the womb, from conception onward. You deny this. You disqualify Christ from being our Great High Priest by the beliefs that you hold. He was made like unto our brethren. Our brethren are all conceived in the womb. So was Jesus--conceived by Mary; conceived of the Holy Spirit; not implanted but conceived. Thus he has a body from Mary, fully flesh and blood just like ours. It was not resistant from day to day corruption. It went through processes of decay when it bled, when he was scourged, etc. It was actual flesh and blood unlike any other man. He was no different in his flesh and blood than any other man, and that is what qualified him to be our mediator, our Great High Priest.