savedbymercy
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You are a liar, show us where I have done that ?
You are a liar, show us where I have done that ?
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Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?
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savedbymercy
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If Christ received his flesh and blood from mary then it was sinful, thats what she was a sinful individual. Instead of receiving it from joseph, you are saying He recived it from mary !
There is not one scripture that states Jesus received anything from mary.
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Prove it. Show us what gnostics believe and then show the quotes I have made that says the same thing, lest you are being deceitful and dishonest. Now prove it !
Prove it. Show us what gnostics believe and then show the quotes I have made that says the same thing, lest you are being deceitful and dishonest. Now prove it !
made of a woman.
born of a virgin.
of the seed of a woman.
conceived of Mary.
All of the above expressions point to the fact that Mary had a part in the physical shaping of Jesus, or that Jesus received his body from Mary.
savedbymercy
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This heresy that Christ received His Body and Blood from sinful mary is of the devil. Mary's body is from dust and corruptible; Even eves flesh before her actual Transgression was weak and corruptible. So even flesh and blood before it was tried in the garden would not have been qualified to serve the Divine Purpose of the Redeemer, let alone the flesh and blood of a sinful mary, this is just utter blasphemy.
I gave you some information; you can go to the link and gather more.
Basically, it is that matter is evil, and the spiritual is good.
That is what you believe. Christ could not have received his "flesh" from Mary because (as the Gnostics believe) matter is evil. The flesh of Mary is intrinsically evil. If Christ had received his flesh from Mary you say he would have received a sinful body or body tainted with sin. Why? You believe matter is sinful--a Gnostic belief.
But this is not Biblical. It is totally against what the Bible teaches. I tried to explain this to you before but you don't seem to comprehend it. Try again. Take a cup of water. What do you see? All that is in that water are hydrogen and oxygen atoms in a ratio of two to one: H20. The plasma of the blood is mostly water. It is made up of hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, iron, and some other elements. Just as a glass of water has no nature, neither does the blood. Buy a steak from the store. That is meat. The flesh on your body is like that--flesh. It has no nature. The nature of man is not in the "flesh."
Mary provided Christ a body. The body is not sinful. It is simply biological. You are not thinking rationally here but rather like a gnostic, that all matter is evil. There was nothing evil about the body of Christ.
The nature is in the soul. The soul is the mind, that part of the body that enables us to think and communicate and differentiates us from animals. That nature that we have is inherited from man. It is a depraved nature--inherited from Adam--our Adamic nature. Christ avoided this because he was conceived of the Holy Spirit and not of a man. In this way he has a human body from Mary, and a divine nature from God--wholly man and wholly God at the same time, and yet without sin.
savedbymercy
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He was made of a woman, which means He was made out of mary. The word of used there is ek = out of a woman. Christ's Body that The Father gave Him was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh by mary, by mary he became the form of a servant Phil 2:7
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And Christ made His Own Blood, it was Redemptive Blood that did not come from a sinful mary, this is utter madness and Blasphemy !
Ok, He was. But I hope you don't think being a virgin means she was sinless !
Dude, not literally, a woman does not have a seed the man does LOL.. The only seed of the woman that would be literally but spiritually would be the Church Rev 12:1-5,17
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You probably think this woman was mary don't you ?
Now , you may as well forget about using Gen 3:15 as a reference to confirm that Christ would be the seed of the woman literally, for it was her seed as She was under the Headship of Her Husband Adam.
When Luke Gives the genealogy of Christ's according to the flesh Lk 3:23-38
It is traced back to Adam, not eve, because the seed is from the man !
Scripture never said Christ was of the seed of mary, but of the seed of David Rom 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
2 Tim 2:8
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Now since mary was of the house of David and literally out of the Loins of David, and Christ came OUT OF HER, but NOT FROM HER the Prophecy is Fulfilled.
We have discussed that. Yes He was conceived of mary after being placed into her by the Holy Ghost, not by her own egg. Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It was not part of mary that was conceived, but the Christ Child in embrylolic form placed into her so she could conceive it, which also means form it into the Likeness of sinful flesh.
I have explained that a million times. You are just in error and have believed a lie perhaps for years and years, but you have no scripture for it. None can state that Christ received His Flesh and Blood from mary, a sinner, BLASPHEMY !
He was made of a woman, which means He was made out of mary. The word of used there is ek = out of a woman. Christ's Body that The Father gave Him was formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh by mary, by mary he became the form of a servant Phil 2:7
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And Christ made His Own Blood, it was Redemptive Blood that did not come from a sinful mary, this is utter madness and Blasphemy !
Ok, He was. But I hope you don't think being a virgin means she was sinless !
Dude, not literally, a woman does not have a seed the man does LOL.. The only seed of the woman that would be literally but spiritually would be the Church Rev 12:1-5,17
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You probably think this woman was mary don't you ?
Now , you may as well forget about using Gen 3:15 as a reference to confirm that Christ would be the seed of the woman literally, for it was her seed as She was under the Headship of Her Husband Adam.
When Luke Gives the genealogy of Christ's according to the flesh Lk 3:23-38
It is traced back to Adam, not eve, because the seed is from the man !
Scripture never said Christ was of the seed of mary, but of the seed of David Rom 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
2 Tim 2:8
Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Now since mary was of the house of David and literally out of the Loins of David, and Christ came OUT OF HER, but NOT FROM HER the Prophecy is Fulfilled.
We have discussed that. Yes He was conceived of mary after being placed into her by the Holy Ghost, not by her own egg. Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It was not part of mary that was conceived, but the Christ Child in embrylolic form placed into her so she could conceive it, which also means form it into the Likeness of sinful flesh.
I have explained that a million times. You are just in error and have believed a lie perhaps for years and years, but you have no scripture for it. None can state that Christ received His Flesh and Blood from mary, a sinner, BLASPHEMY !
savedbymercy
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Its bogus, it says nothing about mary giving Christ His flesh and Blood, you cannot find that in biology books. And if I recall, I gave you some science to refute this madness. mary's body was not fit to be given to the redeemer, it was corruptible !
Its bogus, it says nothing about mary giving Christ His flesh and Blood, you cannot find that in biology books. And if I recall, I gave you some science to refute this madness. mary's body was not fit to be given to the redeemer, it was corruptible !
Tell me. Which elements of the periodical table are sinful, and which ones are not?
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Tell me. Which elements of the periodical table are sinful, and which ones are not?
Man please, I am not trying to explain all that, Thats God's business and wisdom. What you need to be concern with is your erronous teaching that Christ received His Flesh and Blood from a sinner, that is Blasphemy !
Yes, you do need to understand this. God has revealed it to mankind. The elements of the Periodic Table are not sinful. There is nothing magical in the blood of any man including Christ's. It is blood. That is all. Your belief is in Gnosticism. Flesh cannot be evil. The evil is in the mind.
Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, go forth evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickednesses, deceit, licentiousness, a wicked eye, injurious language, haughtiness, folly; all these wicked things go forth from within and defile the man.
It is the heart that is evil; that is the mind. It is not the actual flesh and blood.
savedbymercy
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dhk
I understand the word of God, not your deceptions. Christ did not receive of mary's sinful flesh, you have yet to prove it from scripture!
I understand the word of God, not your deceptions. Christ did not receive of mary's sinful flesh, you have yet to prove it from scripture!
What makes you think that the flesh was sinful. She had a sinful nature, not the flesh. If her leg had to be amputated would she lose part of her nature? You have been influenced by Gnosticism. I have proven it by Scripture. I gave you Matthew 7:21
savedbymercy
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Its called the flesh in scripture. Rom 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
It does not matter if its the mind, you are saying that Christ received it from mary ! I am calling it the flesh as Paul calls it here. Christ from scripture, did not receive anything from mary, nothing. He came out of mary.
God does not need a womans substances or whatever to create a Human Being, we know that by Adam's Being Created a full fledge Human being with flesh and Blood without mary being his mother or any woman being mother, now check your science books references to refute that. To say that Christ had to receive flesh and blood from mary to really human is a Lie !
Its called the flesh in scripture. Rom 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
It does not matter if its the mind, you are saying that Christ received it from mary ! I am calling it the flesh as Paul calls it here. Christ from scripture, did not receive anything from mary, nothing. He came out of mary.
God does not need a womans substances or whatever to create a Human Being, we know that by Adam's Being Created a full fledge Human being with flesh and Blood without mary being his mother or any woman being mother, now check your science books references to refute that. To say that Christ had to receive flesh and blood from mary to really human is a Lie !
He received the body from Mary. That which is referred to as flesh in Rom.7:18 is the fleshly nature or mind, carnal mind. Paul said: "Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus." That command would also apply to Mary. Obviously Mary did not have that mind. It wasn't inherited then was it?
Your Gnostic view of Christ is heretical. Your view is that all matter is evil, and that is heretical. It denies the humanity of Christ, and in so doing is also an attack on the divine nature of Christ. God did not send Christ via a space-ship and then supernaturally implant him in the womb of Mary. It didn't happen that way. You are too superstitious.
savedbymercy
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No He did not. Prove it with scripture ! I dare you !
Christ received His Body from the Father Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
mary's body was out of the dust, not fit to be communicated to my Lord.
Dude you going way off. The Mind of Christ is Spiritual. Mary had it as all Believers do by New Birth. 1 Cor 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
You are beginning to spiral out of control with this madness now !
No He did not. Prove it with scripture ! I dare you !
Christ received His Body from the Father Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
mary's body was out of the dust, not fit to be communicated to my Lord.
Dude you going way off. The Mind of Christ is Spiritual. Mary had it as all Believers do by New Birth. 1 Cor 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
You are beginning to spiral out of control with this madness now !
We have gone over many Scriptures many times. You just disregard them. What is the use.
A virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son.
The body that the Father prepared was the body that was conceived through the Holy Spirit and Mary, as the Bible describes. The Father did not send Christ via a space-ship and did an implant. Show where an implant took place. No such concept is described in the Bible.
See above.
This is not true. Mary was made in the image of God. She was conceived and born as any other individual, not through dust. If Mary's body was dust, then so was Christ's. The difference now is that Christ has risen! He has now a glorified risen body. You are denying the humanity of Christ.
Yes, and Christ is God. You are denying the divinity of Christ. Mary did not have the mind of Christ. She also had to be born again. Christ did not. This is where the difference lie, not in the flesh and blood.
We note this difference when Christ was just 12 years old answering all the questions of the doctors of the Pharisees in the Temple.
I am not the one with Gnostic beliefs.
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Folks Mary was not even Jesus Christ's Biological Mother, for He did not have one. She was the biological Mother of only the Children she had with Joseph.
Jesus never acknowledged Mary as His Mother, in fact He said on one occasion that put things into perspective Matt 12:47-50
47Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
He acknowledges spiritual relationships.
Jesus Christ is the Second or Last Adam, neither Adam had a biological Mother ! Christ was the Last Adam before He became Incarnate, He took on Flesh and Blood, but was not from Flesh and Blood. Christ had a Body before the Incarnation, it was Glorified Body that He manifested on the Mt of Transfiguration, but that Body was not the Body of a Lowly Servant but that of the Glorified Mediator Jn 17:5
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jesus never acknowledged Mary as His Mother, in fact He said on one occasion that put things into perspective Matt 12:47-50
47Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
He acknowledges spiritual relationships.
Jesus Christ is the Second or Last Adam, neither Adam had a biological Mother ! Christ was the Last Adam before He became Incarnate, He took on Flesh and Blood, but was not from Flesh and Blood. Christ had a Body before the Incarnation, it was Glorified Body that He manifested on the Mt of Transfiguration, but that Body was not the Body of a Lowly Servant but that of the Glorified Mediator Jn 17:5
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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dhk
Good grief, every believe does. 1 Cor 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
Show us where and how, lest this be more slander. Most people when they are refuted soundly by another with scripture resort to this tatic !
Good grief, every believe does. 1 Cor 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
Show us where and how, lest this be more slander. Most people when they are refuted soundly by another with scripture resort to this tatic !
This is heresy. Anyone reading this ought to know that it is a blatant denial of the humanity of Christ.
Others acknowledged Mary as his mother. That point is moot, as the Bible does not give us much information as to how Christ addressed Mary, especially in his childhood. Those facts are silent with the exception of one incident when he was 12. All other incidents we know nothing of. One cannot make an argument from silence.
Again, an argument from silence.
Like the first Adam, he took on flesh and blood. Like the first Adam he had no earthly father. In order to have that flesh and blood the Bible specifically says that he was born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit. You deny this.
This is not true. According to the testimony of the disciples, "he was transfigured before them." Before their very eyes his countenance was changed. Your belief is akin to Mormonism. Are you a Mormon? You speak like one. Jesus did not have a body before the incarnation. That also is heresy. I can't believe you are posting such heresy.
GLORY does not equate with "body." He didn't have a body, but he did have glory in heaven. He left the glories of heaven to become a man and die for the penalty of our sins. He BECAME a man that he might die for us.
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