Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

[Thinkingstuff]

I know what happened. But answer the questions. Also was being a virgin, did that mean mary was sinless ?

Other things IMO mean she was sinless but the fact remains Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus ergo Joseph could not be Jesus' Father.

 

[DHK]

dhk



Did mary have a sin nature ? If Mary could have a child other than the Christ Child, do you believe that child would be born a sinner ?

Joses, James, Jude, all had sin natures. They were born of Joseph. The sin nature is passed down through the man. It is called the Adamic nature for that reason.
Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and thus avoided the sin nature. That was the main purpose of the virgin birth--to escape the sin nature.

 

[DHK]

Other things IMO mean she was sinless but the fact remains Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus ergo Joseph could not be Jesus' Father.

Mary was not sinless; that is an unbiblical myth. Mary admitted she was a sinner. She even brought a sin offering to the priest.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Mary was not sinless; that is an unbiblical myth. Mary admitted she was a sinner. She even brought a sin offering to the priest.

Just because Mary Kept the Law (Just as Jesus did) doesn't admit they were sinful. Note what the law says

6And when the days of her purification are expired, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, a lamb of a year old for a holocaust, and a young pigeon or a turtle for sin, and shall deliver them to the priest:...8And if her hand find not sufficiency, and she is not able to offer a lamb, she shall take two turtles, or two young pigeons, one for a holocaust, and another for sin: and the priest shall pray for her, and so she shall be cleansed.

note sin is in general not necissarily her sin or her child's sin. But sin in general even the sin passed on to the child. Following the law is not an admission of guilt.

 

[savedbymercy]

He hungered, thirsted, grew older, tired more as he got older (compared to as a teen-ager), and he finally died. Yes it does.

Hunger and thirsting are not deterioration, neither is growing in wisdom and stature. You say He tired more as He got older, scripture please ! I believe Christ was at the peak of His Physical Ability's at age 33..

And yes He died, but he was murdered in His prime ! And Acts 2:31

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

That word corruption is the greek word diaphthora and means:
corruption, destruction

2) in the NT that destruction which is effected by the decay of the body after death

Now science tells us, since you like to run to science, it says of the decomp of the regular human body or living organism this:

Stages

Five general stages are used to describe the process of decomposition: Fresh, Bloat, Active and Advanced Decay, and Dry/Remains.[3] The general stages of decomposition are coupled with two stages of chemical decomposition: autolysis and putrefaction.[4] These two stages contribute to the chemical process of decomposition, which breaks down the main components of the body

[edit] Fresh

The fresh stage begins immediately after the heart stops beating.[5] Since blood is no longer being pumped through the body it drains to the dependent portions of the body, under gravity, creating an overall bluish-purple discolouration termed livor mortis or, more commonly, lividity. Shortly after death, within three to six hours, the muscular tissues become rigid and incapable of relaxing which is known as rigor mortis. From the moment of death, the body begins losing heat to the surrounding environment, resulting in an overall cooling called algor mortis.[6]

Once the heart stops, chemical changes occur within the body and result in changes in pH, causing cells to lose their structural integrity. The loss of cell structure brings about the release of cellular enzymes capable of initiating the breakdown of surrounding cells and tissues. This process is known as autolysis. Visible changes caused by decomposition are limited during the fresh stage, although autolysis may cause blisters to appear at the surface of the skin.[7]

Now Christ's corpse if scripture is True, did not even experience stage one of body decomp

I worked in a hospital and quite frequently had to go to the morgue with freshly dead bodies. The next day when the medical examiner would come for the body it had already began to stink with decomp.

Now I believe mary's body began decomp immediately upon her death, and the earliest stages began set in. And yet you believe Christ received His Flesh from her, that is insane !

 

[savedbymercy]

Joses, James, Jude, all had sin natures. They were born of Joseph. The sin nature is passed down through the man. It is called the Adamic nature for that reason.
Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and thus avoided the sin nature. That was the main purpose of the virgin birth--to escape the sin nature.

Answer the question !

That was the main purpose of the virgin birth--to escape the sin nature

Well mary was not born of a virgin and she had a sin nature which you say Christ received His Nature from her, so it did not matter if He avoided Josephs so He could have mary's !

 

[DaChaser1]

Christ was fully God and fully man at the same time. He was without sin and without a sin nature. He, as God, took upon flesh that he might partake of all of the same infirmities that we have, that he might be qualified as our Great High Priest. He suffered as man suffers. He was the just dying for the unjust.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

i agree with you on Jesus, was adressing question to other poster!

 

[DaChaser1]

dhk



Yes, you have Christ taking on the sinful body, or the flesh and blood of a sinner, That is heresy !

I have showed you from scripture that Christ received His Body from the Father, and He generated His Own Blood, but you insist sinful mary gave Him both His Redemptive Blood and a corruptible body !

jesus bypassed being a sinner in nature, due to the fact of the Virgin Birth!
he would have been born sinless, a being fully Human but also fully God!

Do you deny that Jesus has BOTH a Divine and a Human nature than?

 

[DHK]

Now Christ's corpse if scripture is True, did not even experience stage one of body decomp

I worked in a hospital and quite frequently had to go to the morgue with freshly dead bodies. The next day when the medical examiner would come for the body it had already began to stink with decomp.

Now I believe mary's body began decomp immediately upon her death, and the earliest stages began set in. And yet you believe Christ received His Flesh from her, that is insane !

Have you ever seen Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ"? Have you ever read any descriptive account of the sufferings of Christ, how he received 40 lashes save one with a whip which at the end spread out into a number of leather strips, each one having a weighted sharpened bone or stone designed to dig deep into the flesh, often baring the bone as it tore at the flesh and blood. Cruelly they cheered as this torture continued. They pressed a crown of thorns upon his head. The thorns were long digging into his skull causing more excruciating pain and more blood to flow down his head and face. Physically exhausted he was unable to carry his own cross, but Simon of Cyrene was compelled to help him. He left a trail of blood, if not flesh as well all the way to Calvary, where the soldiers nailed his hands and feet to the cross.

Was their decay? Of course there was decay? Every chunk of flesh that fell from the whip; every drop of blood that was absorbed into the ground; every drop of perspiration; every bodily fluid that was excreted by the body; all was absorbed by the earth, and all went through a process of decay.

His body saw no corruption for he received a new body, even as John Huss, the morning star of the Reformation, was burned at the stake, will also received a new body, a resurrected body like Christ. It will be similar to the one he had as a young man, even though it was burned to ashes. It will be a perfect body. Christ's body is a perfect body now. It is not corrupted like Mary's body, like the bodies of all the apostles. For he alone is risen.

Christ was fully man. You deny this.
Christ was fully God. Do you deny this also?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Have you ever seen Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ"?

Not interested in all that. This has to do with your false claims that Christ came in the sinful flesh and blood of mary, mel gibson cannot help you.

 

[savedbymercy]

Folks if Jesus Christ received from mary's sinful flesh and blood nature, then He did not come in the Likeness of Sinful flesh as Per Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

But He came in sinful flesh ! Unless we heretically claim that mary was exempt from having sinful flesh like other sinners !

 

[The Biblicist]

Folks if Jesus Christ received from mary's sinful flesh and blood nature, then He did not come in the Likeness of Sinful flesh as Per Rom 8:3

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

But He came in sinful flesh ! Unless we heretically claim that mary was exempt from having sinful flesh like other sinners !

Your absolute nonsense has been exposed and condemned countless times on this subject. The sin nature is passed down through the male not the female seed and thus the incarnation provided Jesus with both flesh and blood of Mary without the sin nature "passed" down to all through the male "seed."

 

[savedbymercy]

bib

The sin nature is passed down through the male not the female seed

Thats irrelevant if Christ partook of mary's flesh and blood. Her flesh and blood or nature is sinful, and you have the audacity to claim that Christ partook of it, He may as well partook of Josephs, for they are the same !

 

[DHK]

bib



Thats irrelevant if Christ partook of mary's flesh and blood. Her flesh and blood or nature is sinful, and you have the audacity to claim that Christ partook of it, He may as well partook of Josephs, for they are the same !

Please, if you believe that nonsense go and join the RCC and stop spreading it here. We have had enough. You have added nothing that will convince us. You simply are regurgitating the same thing over and over again, which quite frankly is vain superstition.

 

[DHK]

dhk



Not interested in all that. This has to do with your false claims that Christ came in the sinful flesh and blood of mary, mel gibson cannot help you.

You focus on the trivial of my post while missing the main point. Go and read the post again and then answer the main point of the post. His flesh and blood did decay. Prove it wrong.

 

[DaChaser1]

bib



Thats irrelevant if Christ partook of mary's flesh and blood. Her flesh and blood or nature is sinful, and you have the audacity to claim that Christ partook of it, He may as well partook of Josephs, for they are the same !

where did Jesus get his full humanity than from if NOT from his mother mary?

jesus was born God in his divine self, while humanity from mary was sinless and perfect, as was Adam when originally created by god!

 

[savedbymercy]

dac

where did Jesus get his full humanity than from if NOT from his mother mary?

Read the Thread, I have stated that repeatedly !

while humanity from mary was sinless and perfect

mary's humanity was not sinless and perfect and it was not the source of my Lord's Humanity, that is utter blasphemy !

 

[The Biblicist]

dac



Read the Thread, I have stated that repeatedly !



mary's humanity was not sinless and perfect and it was not the source of my Lord's Humanity, that is utter blasphemy !

You deny both the deity and humanity of Christ! You deny the deity of Christ by asserting the perposterous idea that deity is in eternal union with creation (elect). You deny his humanity by asserting he has no human source for his humanity.

 

[DaChaser1]

dac



Read the Thread, I have stated that repeatedly !



mary's humanity was not sinless and perfect and it was not the source of my Lord's Humanity, that is utter blasphemy !

I stated that Jesus received his Humanity of being fully Human from mary, y yet the Virgin birth kept him from having her sinfulness!

 

[DHK]

dac

mary's humanity was not sinless and perfect and it was not the source of my Lord's Humanity, that is utter blasphemy !

The belief of the Gnostics:

Duality of spirit and body: Spirit is of divine origin and good; the body is inherently earthly and evil. Gnostics were hostile to the physical world, to matter and the human body. But they believed that trapped within some people's bodies were the sparks of divinity or seeds of light that were supplied to humanity by Sophia.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic2.htm

The basic belief here is that matter is evil.
This is your belief, and why Jesus could not be born of the flesh of Mary. You have swallowed or at the very least been influenced by the teachings of Gnosticism. This is the heresy. You are not only denying the humanity of Christ, you have taken up a very old heresy.