Yes you have. He came into the world via mankind, that is a virgin who provided him a body--flesh, bones, blood. You deny this. In denying this you deny the incarnation of Christ: the "enfleshment of Christ" or his humanity. This is Christ, fully man, in a man's body, not a Martian's body.
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Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?
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Scripture says He was born out of a woman and not from a woman. Mary was a sinner in the flesh, The Christ I serve was not a sinner, a Man but not a sinner. Mary's flesh I am sure , she was sick at times, had the common diseaes of the flesh, these things Christ, the one I serve would not have had, diseases are part of fallen humanity, of which mary was. The Christ you promote was a sinful Christ if he received any of his being from a sinful human being !
The Christ I serve, His Father in Heaven prepared Him a Body Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
You see that ? Jesus, the one I serve did not receive a sinful body from mary. Now the Body that God gave Him was shaped by the virgin into the likeness of sinful flesh, but His body was not from mary, in fact, neither was He from one of mary's eggs. He was placed into Her womb by the Holy Ghost. Your roots from Roman Catholicism are very apparent. Do you worship mary also ?
Scripture says He was born out of a woman and not from a woman. Mary was a sinner in the flesh, The Christ I serve was not a sinner, a Man but not a sinner. Mary's flesh I am sure , she was sick at times, had the common diseaes of the flesh, these things Christ, the one I serve would not have had, diseases are part of fallen humanity, of which mary was. The Christ you promote was a sinful Christ if he received any of his being from a sinful human being !
The Christ I serve, His Father in Heaven prepared Him a Body Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
You see that ? Jesus, the one I serve did not receive a sinful body from mary. Now the Body that God gave Him was shaped by the virgin into the likeness of sinful flesh, but His body was not from mary, in fact, neither was He from one of mary's eggs. He was placed into Her womb by the Holy Ghost. Your roots from Roman Catholicism are very apparent. Do you worship mary also ?
savedbymercy
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Jesus was not of Mary's Egg, but Christ was placed into her womb by the Power of the Holy Spirit [Matt 1:20], she then fashioned him in His God Given Body[Heb 10:5], for His Body was not of dust as was mary's. Her performance was to form or fashion Him in the Likeness of sinful flesh, to give Him External form. Christ made His Own Blood, and therefor the Blood of God !
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Christ was:
1. of the seed of the woman.
2. made of a woman.
3. conceived in Mary's womb.
4. born of Mary.
5. conceived of the Holy Ghost.
6. conceived in Mary of the Holy Ghost.
The seed was of Mary. Jesus was of Mary. The facts are plain. Indisputable.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Thank God she had no original sin.........:saint:
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So you don't believe in OS. Make up your mind.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
So you don't believe that Christ was "conceived" in her womb but rather his entire humanity was a direct creation of God totally unrelated to the humanity of Mary and thus IMPLANTED in her womb?
Can a child be "conceived" apart from either egg or sperm? The only possible way is to be a direct creation not "conceived" but simply IMPLANTED in the womb.
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Yes, but only after having been put in Her womb by the Holy Ghost, not by her natural egg Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It does not say "for that which is conceived in her is of her egg"
Furthermore I stated what I believed in Post 163 !
Yes, but only after having been put in Her womb by the Holy Ghost, not by her natural egg Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It does not say "for that which is conceived in her is of her egg"
Furthermore I stated what I believed in Post 163 !
Then you need a biology lesson. What you believe is not conception.
"Behold a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son..."
Conception and implantation are vastly different.
And it does say "that which is conceived in her," which means something physical doesn't it?
savedbymercy
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dhk
No what you need is a biblical lesson,of which only God can give you. Scripture plainly says that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It was not something of her own producing ! The writer uses the prep ek which means:
out of, from, by, away from
So that which was conceived in her was from or out of the Holy Ghost. He came out of Heaven , not mary !
Jn 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Jn 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
The word conceive in Matt 1:20 is the greek word gennaō:
of men who fathered children
a) to be born
b) to be begotten
1) of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
a) to engender, cause to arise, excite
b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone
c) of God making Christ his son
d) of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work
That which is begotten in her is out of the Holy Ghost ! Jesus was not begotten out of mary's egg, but out of the Holy Ghost who placed the embryo from Heaven into Her so that she could form and shape Him into the Likeness of sinful flesh.
In fact, the English definition for conceive is:
to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2.
to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
God through mary made Jesus Christ into the form of a servant Phil 2:7
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That word form is morphē which means:
the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
2) external appearance
She gave Christ the external appearance and likeness of sinful flesh, that's it, to go beyond that is Heresy.
You guys believe a form of Christadelphians , which directly teach that Christ came from sinful flesh, they mainly teach this because of a warped view of Heb 2:14
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The difference being, they are more honest than you with their logical conclusions, realizing that if He took on the exact same Flesh and Blood as His Brethren, then He would be sinful as they !
You guys attempt to avoid that conclusion, but do maintain that He took on the literal flesh and blood of sinful mary ! If you hold to that, then you are as they, saying Christ was born a sinner !
No what you need is a biblical lesson,of which only God can give you. Scripture plainly says that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost Matt 1:20
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
It was not something of her own producing ! The writer uses the prep ek which means:
out of, from, by, away from
So that which was conceived in her was from or out of the Holy Ghost. He came out of Heaven , not mary !
Jn 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Jn 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
The word conceive in Matt 1:20 is the greek word gennaō:
of men who fathered children
a) to be born
b) to be begotten
1) of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
a) to engender, cause to arise, excite
b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone
c) of God making Christ his son
d) of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work
That which is begotten in her is out of the Holy Ghost ! Jesus was not begotten out of mary's egg, but out of the Holy Ghost who placed the embryo from Heaven into Her so that she could form and shape Him into the Likeness of sinful flesh.
In fact, the English definition for conceive is:
to form (a notion, opinion, purpose, etc.): He conceived the project while he was on vacation.
2.
to form a notion or idea of; imagine.
God through mary made Jesus Christ into the form of a servant Phil 2:7
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That word form is morphē which means:
the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
2) external appearance
She gave Christ the external appearance and likeness of sinful flesh, that's it, to go beyond that is Heresy.
You guys believe a form of Christadelphians , which directly teach that Christ came from sinful flesh, they mainly teach this because of a warped view of Heb 2:14
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The difference being, they are more honest than you with their logical conclusions, realizing that if He took on the exact same Flesh and Blood as His Brethren, then He would be sinful as they !
You guys attempt to avoid that conclusion, but do maintain that He took on the literal flesh and blood of sinful mary ! If you hold to that, then you are as they, saying Christ was born a sinner !
It was flesh, and all flesh contains blood. It was the likeness of sinful flesh because it wasn't sinful, but it was flesh, the flesh that Mary gave, even as you just admitted.
savedbymercy
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dhk
Yes, so it could not have been directly from mary, unless you deny mary was sinful. Unlike Christ, mary came in sinful flesh, and that sinful flesh of hers goes nowhere until it is changed in the day of redemption.
But now, you hold to a heretical concept that Christ came in mary's sinful flesh, not in the Likeness of her sinful flesh which I hold !
Where did I admit that ? That is what I contend against. Christ received His Body of flesh from the Father Heb 10:5 and it was by the virgin formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh. Please do not misrepresent me again !
Yes, so it could not have been directly from mary, unless you deny mary was sinful. Unlike Christ, mary came in sinful flesh, and that sinful flesh of hers goes nowhere until it is changed in the day of redemption.
But now, you hold to a heretical concept that Christ came in mary's sinful flesh, not in the Likeness of her sinful flesh which I hold !
Where did I admit that ? That is what I contend against. Christ received His Body of flesh from the Father Heb 10:5 and it was by the virgin formed into the Likeness of sinful flesh. Please do not misrepresent me again !
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The body was from Mary.
Jesus said: God is spirit; they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God is spirit. Spirits do not have flesh. Flesh did not come from God.
He was conceived of the Holy Ghost, but that is obviously not where the flesh came from. The flesh came from Mary. Learn your biology. Learn the Word as well.
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dhk
Well Prove it, all you are doing is saying something.
Christ, not the one I serve, did not receive a body of flesh from a sinful woman.
The Christ I serve, had a Body Prepared Him of the Father, not a corruptible body like mary had.
Well Prove it, all you are doing is saying something.
Christ, not the one I serve, did not receive a body of flesh from a sinful woman.
The Christ I serve, had a Body Prepared Him of the Father, not a corruptible body like mary had.
The proof is in the humanity of Christ. He suffered all things like we did.
You are denying his humanity.
BTW, did Christ ever get sick? You said no. Do you have that evidence?
According to what we would define sickness:
After he fasted for 40 days and 40 nights his body was weak enough that angels came and ministered to him. Some might say that his body was physically "sick" or "very weak." Remember in order for him to be qualified as our Great High Priest he had to share in all of our infirmities. He suffered as we suffered. He hungered, thirsted, and, yes was probably sick at times. His body was a human body subject to the same infirmities that we are subject to. He was fully man. You are denying this aspect of Christ, and in doing so denying the incarnation.
Do you hold that Jesus was JUST God in a form of Form, but did NOT have dual natures, BOTH Divine and human as all of us, yet without a sin nature?
Christ was fully God and fully man at the same time. He was without sin and without a sin nature. He, as God, took upon flesh that he might partake of all of the same infirmities that we have, that he might be qualified as our Great High Priest. He suffered as man suffers. He was the just dying for the unjust.
Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
savedbymercy
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savedbymercy
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You make no sense to me. Do you believe Jesus came into this world with the sinful flesh of mary ?
Absurd? You talk about absurd? ABSURD??
You are the only one in this entire thread that takes this unorthodox position and you call my position absurd??
Absurd? How absurd?
Your position is outside of orthodox Christianity. It is absurd to say the least.
It is not me that is absurd, oh man, but thee.
Absurd indeed. Keep thine absurdity to thine-self.
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