Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

[savedbymercy]

Where did Christ receive His Body From ?

The Lord Jesus Christ received His Body that He would died in for the sins of His Elect, not from mary, but from the Father Heb 10:5

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Mary did not give Christ His Body that He was to perform the Work of Redemption in, but she only by the overseeing of God was the medium by which it was shaped and formed into the likeness of sinful flesh, and also the Being of Christ existed before this formation took place, which is obvious from the very words of the text. Many heretical teachers have gone as far to to teach that Christ had no being until it began in mary ! Mary was told that the Being in Her was to be called the Son of God Lk 1:35

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Now this was not when the Son of God was made or began, but when He began a Manifestation in a different form 1 Jn 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The greek word for manifested is phaneroō:


to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way

a) make actual and visible, realised

b) to make known by teaching

c) to become manifest, be made known

d) of a person

1) expose to view, make manifest, to show one's self, appear

e) to become known, to be plainly recognised, thoroughly understood

1) who and what one is

His Mediatoral Being did not begin from mary, it was merely formed into a Form of a servant by her Phil 2:7

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

The body Christ was given by the Father, was not a Body that came from dust as mary's !

 

[The Biblicist]

bib



I know where it comes from, and mary had one, and she as a woman was unclean

Job 14:4

Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. If Christ partook of mary's flesh and blood, He may as well partook of Josephs, both were sinners !

Dah! That is the reason for the incarnation! Man can't but God can because God bypasses the male input into conception. The sin nature comes through the man not through the woman or God.

Mary had sinful flesh as did Paul Rom 7:18

18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

You are guilty of saying that Christ was given sinful flesh if He was not protected from it, for being in mary !

Yes, but Mary cannot pass on the sinful nature to her child!!! It is passed on through the "seed" of the man not the egg of the woman. Hence, the incarnation by passing the seed of the man.

 

[savedbymercy]

Yes, but Mary cannot pass on the sinful nature to her child!!!

So if you admit that mary had a sin nature, why do you insist Christ partook of it ?

 

[DHK]

So if you admit that mary had a sin nature, why do you insist Christ partook of it ?

By asking this question you just admit that you believe in the RCC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, correct?

 

[savedbymercy]

By asking this question you just admit that you believe in the RCC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, correct?

No, By asking that question, I am pointing out that the poster believes that Christ partook of a sinful nature that mary had. Do you believe the same ? If you believe Jesus was born a bloodline jew with mary's sinful blood, for she was a sinner, then you must believe that, no alternative.

I believe Christ was born out of mary, but not out of her egg or substance, but that God used her to shape and form Christ into the form of sinful flesh Rom 8:3 and the form of a servant Phil 2:7. God gave Him a Body , not Mary Heb 10:5

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

And He generated His Own Blood, He did not need mary's blood.

By coming out of Mary, He fulfilled the prophecy's of being made of [out of ] the seed of David !

Now if RCC believes that, then in that point we agree. But in no way will I agree with you that Christ partook of mary's sinful nature, that is Blasphemy, all because you have been deceived to believe that Jesus was a bloodline Jew !

 

[DHK]

No, By asking that question, I am pointing out that the poster believes that Christ partook of a sinful nature that mary had. Do you believe the same ? If you believe Jesus was born a bloodline jew with mary's sinful blood, for she was a sinner, then you must believe that, no alternative.

The alternative is to believe the virgin birth and the He was conceived of the Holy Spirit thus eluding the sin nature of the man, for it is normally passed on through the man. Christ was not born of a man, but of the Holy Spirit. Mary did not pass on the sin nature to him, for he was conceived of the Holy Spirit, or do you deny the virgin birth?

I believe Christ was born out of mary, but not out of her egg or substance, but that God used her to shape and form Christ into the form of sinful flesh Rom 8:3 and the form of a servant Phil 2:7. God gave Him a Body , not Mary Heb 10:5

Then you are denying the full humanity of Christ.
You are also denying the fitness of Christ to be our Great High Priest for then he was not tempted in ALL points such as we are or did not suffer in all points such as we did, which includes the womb--from fertilization onward. He was like us in ALL points.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The body was the virgin birth--the seed of the woman conceived of the Holy Spirit.

And He generated His Own Blood, He did not need mary's blood.

Your philosophy and that is all; not in Scripture and not found anywhere else. It is a good fairy tale. Do you tell it to your children?

By coming out of Mary, He fulfilled the prophecy's of being made of [out of] the seed of David !

He was thus qualified to sit on the throne of David. But more than that he had to be qualified to be our Great High Priest, that priestly ministry which he carries on today.

Now if RCC believes that, then in that point we agree. But in no way will I agree with you that Christ partook of mary's sinful nature, that is Blasphemy, all because you have been deceived to believe that Jesus was a bloodline Jew !

He did not partake of any sin nature. That is why he was born of a virgin. The sin nature is passed down through the man. Christ was born of a virgin to escape the sin nature. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Do you believe the Holy Spirit has a sin nature? Really???

 

[DaChaser1]

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Next time you take your communion do not forget to Thank your god for the Body and Blood of mary !

Jn 6:55

For my flesh[I received from mary] is meat indeed, and my blood[I received from mary] is drink indeed.

where did Jesus get his humanity from then?

was he God who Just came in a human form, JUST divine nature, and when he died, discarded that human shell and went back to old self in heaven?

 

[savedbymercy]

da

where did Jesus get his humanity from then?

The same place Adam received His From, God !

was he God who Just came in a human form, JUST divine nature, and when he died, discarded that human shell and went back to old self in heaven?

You may wanna read through this Thread for all those kind of questions ! This thread is basically showing that jesus was not a bloodlind jew. He did not have one drop of jewish blood, I did not say blood, but jewish blood. He had perfect unspotted human blood made by Himself as perfect unspotted Man !

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=73533

 

[DHK]

da
The same place Adam received His From, God !

Are you a Mormon? You just stated Mormon belief.

 

[DaChaser1]

Are you a Mormon? You just stated Mormon belief.

Sounds like he holds to jesus being with JUST nature of God, no humanity, but in the form of a man!

 

[savedbymercy]

Mary by nature, was a sinner, blemished ! Lev 4:28


Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

Folks, the Female, though inferior to the Male, still must be without blemish, for these things [sin offerings] Typified Christ, the Spotless lamb of God 1 Pet 1:19

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Those who hold that Jesus partook of mary's literal blood, she being in and of herself a sinner, This is saying Christ partook of a blemished person. Does that make her blood blemished ? Yes it does ! Thats why those animals had to be without blemish, to typify Christ's Blood !

Now the Fact that God demanded unblemished of the sacrifice for its blood to be accepted, denotes in some kind of way the blood can be blemished and its value sullied !

Now theoretically would not the blood of a blemished animal be just like that of a unblemished one ? If both animals blood were put under a microscope, would not their composition be the same ? So why the difference with God. Because man seeth not as God seeth !

 

[mandym]

Mary by nature, was a sinner, blemished ! Lev 4:28


Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

Folks, the Female, though inferior to the Male, still must be without blemish, for these things [sin offerings] Typified Christ, the Spotless lamb of God 1 Pet 1:19

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Those who hold that Jesus partook of mary's literal blood, she being in and of herself a sinner, This is saying Christ partook of a blemished person. Does that make her blood blemished ? Yes it does ! Thats why those animals had to be without blemish, to typify Christ's Blood !

Now the Fact that God demanded unblemished of the sacrifice for its blood to be accepted, denotes in some kind of way the blood can be blemished and its value sullied !

Now theoretically would not the blood of a blemished animal be just like that of a unblemished one ? If both animals blood were put under a microscope, would not their composition be the same ? So why the difference with God. Because man seeth not as God seeth !

You are standing on beach sand at the waters edge. Your assertion is more mystical than anything else and borders on Diocetism.

 

[DHK]

Now theoretically would not the blood of a blemished animal be just like that of a unblemished one ? If both animals blood were put under a microscope, would not their composition be the same ? So why the difference with God. Because man seeth not as God seeth !

Your logic is skewed. Blood is composed of chemicals. It is largely composed of red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets which are borne along by plasma. This plasma is about 91% water and 9% dissolved solutes. Most of the dissolved solutes are proteins. The rest are a mixture of different nutrients. SBM, The sin nature does not reside in those chemicals.

Mary may have had a sin nature, but it wasn't in the molecules and atoms of her physical blood, nor was it in the molecules and atoms of the blood of Jesus. The blood circulates throughout the body bringing it oxygen and nutrients and removes waste. It is not where the sin nature resides.

The sin nature resides with the mind or soul, which is also in someway connected with the spirit. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. He did not inherit a sin nature from man. This is difficult for us to understand but it is the way that God has ordained it.

Blood is symbolic of life for without it there would be no life. Therefore in Lev.17:11 Moses wrote "the life of the flesh is in the blood and I have given it to you to make an atonement for your sins." This was true of every animal sacrifice then, and it looked forward to the Great Sacrifice that Christ would provide for us. He would shed his blood for us, that is give his life for us. The fact that he was perfect man and perfect God, unblemished by sin, were the qualifications that met the standard that God had set. The chemicals that made up his blood had nothing to do with it. The fact that he had not sinned did. That is what made him unblemished, not his blood.

Mary was a chosen vessel and was used of God to provide a body for Jesus which included blood. There is nothing miraculous in red cell and white cells and platelets. We all need them, and so did Jesus. They were not what was "precious." What was "precious" was the sacrifice in and of itself, which was symbolized by the blood that was shed. All knew that his death was complete by the blood that was shed. I hope that sheds some better understanding on this subject.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Your logic is skewed. Blood is composed of chemicals

That really does not matter, the same point is valid !

 

[DHK]

dhk
That really does not matter, the same point is valid !

No it isn't valid.
How is the sin nature, or Holy Spirit contained within hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, iron, and a few other chemicals. You are not logical, and do not make sense. Does my "sin nature" or my "new nature" start to ooze from my body every time I cut myself, am in an accident, lose blood in any way? Did Jesus lose His spirit when he lost his blood?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

No it isn't valid.

All sinners Chosen by God and Vessels of Honor 2 Tim 2:20

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

David was a Vessel of Honour, Jeremiah and the List could go on and on, but their flesh was sinful, so was mary's ! Her flesh was not worthy. You have a serious problem, its called mariology ! This stems from catholicism !

 

[DHK]

dhk



All sinners Chosen by God and Vessels of Honor 2 Tim 2:20

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

David was a Vessel of Honour, Jeremiah and the List could go on and on, but their flesh was sinful, so was mary's ! Her flesh was not worthy. You have a serious problem, its called mariology ! This stems from catholicism !

How does any nature reside in the blood? You can't substantiate your view from Scripture. I don't have the problem. The vessels of honor are not made of blood.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

How does any nature reside in the blood? You can't substantiate your view from Scripture

That kind of understanding is not in the Scripture, Somethings man will not be able to explain, for instance Ecc 11:5

As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

But as much as scripture has revealed, I know of of certainty, Jesus Christ did not have one drop of mary's blood in His Veins. He produced His Own Blood. A Blood produced by His sinless Humanity, while in Union with His Deity ! Mary's blood did not redeem no one, not even mixed with the Blessed Saviour, the one I serve and Worship !

 

[DHK]

dhk



That kind of understanding is not in the Scripture, Somethings man will not be able to explain, for instance Ecc 11:5

As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

But as much as scripture has revealed, I know of of certainty, Jesus Christ did not have one drop of mary's blood in His Veins. He produced His Own Blood. A Blood produced by His sinless Humanity, while in Union with His Deity ! Mary's blood did not redeem no one, not even mixed with the Blessed Saviour, the one I serve and Worship !

You are entitled to your opinion. You have stated it quite forcefully. You have stated it dogmatically in contradiction of scientific and Biblical evidence. What you have done in so doing is denied the humanity of Christ. That is the only conclusion one can reasonably come to.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

What you have done in so doing is denied the humanity of Christ.

Thats a lie, I never denied the Humanity of Christ. The Christ I serve was 100 % Man, Human and 100% God. Christ did not have to receive the sinful humanity of mary to be 100 % Humananity ! You need to check yourself !