savedbymercy
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jon c about who was discussing paul !
Ok, well I am discussing Jesus Christ, not paul !
Ok, well I am discussing Jesus Christ, not paul !
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Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?
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Dr. Walter
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Heb. 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The writer says that the children took part of two explicit aspects of human nature "flesh and blood" and then says that Jesus explicit TOOK PART OF THE SAME!
Cannot make it much clearer than that.
The phrase "flesh and blood" is used consistently in the New Testament to refer to NATURAL MAN in an unglorified state.
God is a spirit and a spirit does not reproduce flesh and blood. A baby's blood as well as his whole physical system of life originates from "like kind" and Jesus is explicitly said to be of the "seed" of Mary (Gen. 3:15). His blood was HUMAN BLOOD just like his BODY was human.
You sir are in fact denying the humanity of Christ as "blood" is NOT a derivitive of Deity:
1 Jn. 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
John 1:12-13 refers to spiritually dead natural born humans not to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ "became" flesh (Jn. 1:14) and he did so through "Mary." His humanity was not derived from God and "blood" is a derivitive of humanity not of Deity.
The whole human MATERIAL nature was derived from the "seed" of Mary only his IMMATERIAL deity preexisted His humanity.
Hebrews 2:14 flatly repudiates your doctrine and your doctrine is that of Antichrist.
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savedbymercy
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dw
Yes He did take part of Flesh and Blood, who denied that ? So did the Children, and they weren't jews. Of course some of them may have been born ethnic jews, but many of them were not !
His Taking on Flesh and Blood was quite different from them. They had sinful parents, He did not. Do you believe that Christ was born a sinner like other people ?
Christ came in the Likeness of sinful flesh and blood Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
So you need to be careful here !
Yes He did take part of Flesh and Blood, who denied that ? So did the Children, and they weren't jews. Of course some of them may have been born ethnic jews, but many of them were not !
His Taking on Flesh and Blood was quite different from them. They had sinful parents, He did not. Do you believe that Christ was born a sinner like other people ?
Christ came in the Likeness of sinful flesh and blood Rom 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
So you need to be careful here !
Dr. Walter
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Oh come on give me a break, look at verses 3-12 which is all about his JEWISH brethren or must I paste it so you can read it???????
So "flesh and blood" equals sin in your mind?????????? Oh give it a rest!! The writer says he partook of "THE SAME" not something different and it says nothing about sin!!!!!
So you don't even believe his "flesh" is human any more than his blood because Romans 8:3 only uses the term "flesh" and you interpret "likeness" to mean something different than human flesh?????? So you don't even believe he received his "flesh" from Mary any more than you do his "blood"! Romans 8:3 is not denying he actually partook of the materials of humanity or "flesh and blood" but rather is denying in doing so he partook of indwelling sin in the flesh as discussed in Romans 7:14-25.
You are teaching the very doctrine of Antichrist that John warned believers about (1 Jn. 4:2-6).
You are the one who needs to be careful as you are flatly denying the explicit scriptures concerning the humanity of Jesus Christ.
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Agreed, as it clearly states that Jesus was born a jew, born under the Law, and that he was of the line of King David !
His blood was that of a jewish male, one without sin to pollute it though!
savedbymercy
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dw
Those had nothing to do with physical blood jews unless the were born again. Being a Physical jew means nothing when it comes to a relationship with God and Christ, most of that nation were apostates !
I did not say that, but it does not equal jewish blood in Christ's case ! The Children that Christ Identifed with were comprised of both jew and gentile Children of Abraham, who belong to Christ Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Those had nothing to do with physical blood jews unless the were born again. Being a Physical jew means nothing when it comes to a relationship with God and Christ, most of that nation were apostates !
I did not say that, but it does not equal jewish blood in Christ's case ! The Children that Christ Identifed with were comprised of both jew and gentile Children of Abraham, who belong to Christ Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
You are teaching the anti-christ doctrine of Christ - 1 Jn. 4:2-6 and the writer of Hebrews clearly repudiates your false doctrine.
14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
This is not talking about NEW BIRTH but their PHYSICAL BIRTH as the new birth is SPIRITUAL whereas the PHYSICAL BIRTH is partaking of "FLESH and BLOOD" and Jesus throug PHYSICAL BIRTH "took part OF THE SAME" flesh and "BLOOD".
Salvation is of the Jews.
What does the verse mean.
savedbymercy
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dac
Jesus was born a Jew, but not a Physical Blood Jew, but the kind of Jew spoken of in Rom 2:28-29
Yes Jesus was of the Line of the King David, but He was not a Blood Relative, for He had no Jewish Father. Also Jesus according to the Flesh was of the Line of Adam, so was David and Abraham, check it out right here Lk 3:23-38
23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
And Yes, Jesus was born under the Law, because all of the Elect of God first violated it in Adam when he sinned !
Jesus was born a Jew, but not a Physical Blood Jew, but the kind of Jew spoken of in Rom 2:28-29
Yes Jesus was of the Line of the King David, but He was not a Blood Relative, for He had no Jewish Father. Also Jesus according to the Flesh was of the Line of Adam, so was David and Abraham, check it out right here Lk 3:23-38
23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
And Yes, Jesus was born under the Law, because all of the Elect of God first violated it in Adam when he sinned !
savedbymercy
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Yes, Salvation is of the Jews, The True Jews that Honor God Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
In the Spirit ! Why you think Jesus said to the lady Jn 4:22-24
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
That kind of Worship describes a True Jew, and it comes only through New Birth ! Being a mere physical jew means nothing, when it comes to Salvation and a Relationship with God !
So Salvation is of the Jews, the Spiritual Remnant
, The OT Church !
Jesus was not a true Jew then??
His blood was not real?
Was it fake?
What are you saying?
savedbymercy
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dhk
Thats according to your definition, and not God's.
God's word says Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Thats according to your definition, and not God's.
God's word says Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
savedbymercy
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Jesus was a Jewish Messiah, but not according to your standards Here is a biblical Jew in God's Eyes Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
See, you are thinking about the jew in vs 28, one which is one merely outwardly, ethnically, and who has been merely physically circumcised, but God's word says that one is not a Jew. Do you disagree with the word of Truth ?
Was Jesus a man who lived in 2,000 years in Israel, a man that the Apostles saw, a man that eventually died on the cross, whom a soldier pierced with his spear, and out came blood and water. Was Christ that man, born of the virgin Mary? Was He that man?
savedbymercy
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dhk
I do not understand this question, but yes Jesus was a Man that Lived in Israel before !
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Uh, yes, did I say He wasn't ?
Uh, Yes !
I do not understand this question, but yes Jesus was a Man that Lived in Israel before !
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Uh, yes, did I say He wasn't ?
Uh, Yes !
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Absolutely Jesus was a Jew by blood. If He was not an actual descendant of David, He had no right to the throne of David. The genealogies of Christ point straight to a physical tie with the blood line of His earthy father Joseph, a direct descendant of David, although again we know NOT by natural means, for His mother was indeed a virgin. There is not the slightest indication in Scripture that he was not a man with flesh and blood as all other men. He took upon Himself the seed of Abraham.
Then, was Jesus Christ a Jew by blood?
According to your answers, YES!! he was! That is the answer. There is no other.
savedbymercy
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hp
No He was not. He was a spiritual Jew Rom 2:28-29. He did not have a flesh and blood father, and he did not receive one drop of blood from mary, He generated His own God man redemptive blood !
Do you believe mary had redemptive blood in her ?
No He was not. He was a spiritual Jew Rom 2:28-29. He did not have a flesh and blood father, and he did not receive one drop of blood from mary, He generated His own God man redemptive blood !
Do you believe mary had redemptive blood in her ?
savedbymercy
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dhk
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