Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

[Revmitchell]

Well, mary had a sinful heart like Joseph did. Why was it important that Joseph be not the Lord Jesus physical biological father ? Whatever that reason is, it counts the same for mary. Was mary Jesus biological and physical mother ? Not in the same exact sense as she was to her and Josephs physical and biological children ! Do you believe she was in the exact same sense as her other children with Joseph ? Yes or No ! And give your biblical proof !

None of this is worth even considering. You are trying to complicate things beyond need.

1. We are sinful and in need of a Savior.

2. Jesus who is God with us came and lived a sinless life so that He may die for us.

3. He was born of a Virgin.

How does all of that work? What is the mechanics of it all? Who cares? Scripture does not say and it is not for us to know. Just accept what the Bible says about it all and leave all the details to God. Good grief trying to take something simple and complicate it serves no earthly or heavenly good. It neither makes one wiser nor does it change anyone's salvation.

 

[annsni]

None of this is worth even considering. You are trying to complicate things beyond need.

1. We are sinful and in need of a Savior.

2. Jesus who is God with us came and lived a sinless life so that He may die for us.

3. He was born of a Virgin.

How does all of that work? What is the mechanics of it all? Who cares? Scripture does not say and it is not for us to know. Just accept what the Bible says about it all and leave all the details to God. Good grief trying to take something simple and complicate it serves no earthly or heavenly good. It neither makes one wiser nor does it change anyone's salvation.

Amen!

Yet, we KNOW that Jesus was fully human. He was born in a body that was fully divine yet fully human and as such, He had his mother's DNA but not His earthly father's. Praise God for the miraculous conception and birth!

 

[savedbymercy]

None of this is worth even considering. You are trying to complicate things beyond need.

1. We are sinful and in need of a Savior.

2. Jesus who is God with us came and lived a sinless life so that He may die for us.

3. He was born of a Virgin.

How does all of that work? What is the mechanics of it all? Who cares? Scripture does not say and it is not for us to know. Just accept what the Bible says about it all and leave all the details to God. Good grief trying to take something simple and complicate it serves no earthly or heavenly good. It neither makes one wiser nor does it change anyone's salvation.

You are now evading the issue, the purpose of this thread is to expose the misconception that many have that Jesus Christ the Man, born of a Virgin, was a blood jew by nature and birth, for He was not, so please keep your comments in agreement with that in mind. There is no scriptural warrant to believe that Jesus Christ was an ethnic jew by blood !

 

[Revmitchell]

You are now evading the issue,

Uh no I am addressing the foolishness of this so called issue.

the purpose of this thread is to expose the misconception that many have that Jesus Christ the Man, born of a Virgin, was a blood jew by nature and birth, for He was not,

And you have nothing in scripture from which to make your argument. You are speculating based on your own reasoning. It is foolish.

so please keep your comments in agreement with that in mind.

Sorry this is a debate forum. If you want only people to post who agrees with you there are other forums on this board to accomplish that. I reject the premise of this thread.

'There is no scriptural warrant to believe that Jesus Christ was an ethnic jew by blood !

It is a silly argument to make in the first place. Second, it is wrong. In the end who cares either way.

 

[Zenas]

You are now evading the issue, the purpose of this thread is to expose the misconception that many have that Jesus Christ the Man, born of a Virgin, was a blood jew by nature and birth, for He was not, so please keep your comments in agreement with that in mind. There is no scriptural warrant to believe that Jesus Christ was an ethnic jew by blood !

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law. . . . Galatians 4:4.

For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. Hebrews 7:14.

Paul thought Jesus was a Jew. but I guess he got it wrong. :BangHead:

 

[savedbymercy]

Paul thought Jesus was a Jew. but I guess he got it wrong. :BangHead:

Jesus was a Jew, so is every believer in Christ, it has nothing to do with physical etnicity, its Spiritual !

You are trusting in the flesh, not wise. That jew /israel according to the flesh of Abraham's Seed, they were not the Children of God Rom 9:8


8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Zenas]

Jesus was a Jew, so is every believer in Christ, it has nothing to do with physical etnicity, its Spiritual !

You are trusting in the flesh, not wise. That jew /israel according to the flesh of Abraham's Seed, they were not the Children of God Rom 9:8


8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes, we are spiritual descendants of Abraham but we are not spoken of as descendants of Judah (or Benjamin or Ephraim or any of the other sons of Israel). No one I know of (except Mormons) claims affiliation with a particular tribe. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah and that makes Him an ethnic Jew.

 

[Eliyahu]

Many today believe Jesus Christ is or was a Jew by Blood, however that is impossible !

You see, Jesus was not born by blood, and Jn 1:13 can also apply to Him Jn 1:13

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

He did not have Joseph's Blood, for he was not the natural father of Jesus Christ; nor did He have mary's blood, but He generated His own Blood while in the womb of the virgin.

Acts 20:28

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus Christ was a Jew in the Truest sense Rom 2:28-29

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

His Praise was not of men, but of God.

It was written of some ethnic jews this Jn 12:43

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

So ethnic jews by blood have no claim on Jesus Christ, none whatsoever, but only Jews that have circumcision of heart, who are inwardly jews, and whose praise is not of men, but of God !

I fully agree with you.

I think the strongest proof is Matthew 1:20

ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος, ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος Κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ, λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβὶδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν, ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου

He was born in Mariam already before He came out of Mariam in Mt 1:25.

The Genao verb which was used for < Abraham begot Issac, Issac begot Jacob,...> was used here.

Many translations including KJV translated differently as conceive, but the original Greek genao is used for Birth.

Jesus was born already in the womb of Mary as a complete human! Holy Spirit didn't fertilize with the ovum of Mary!

Jesus had 100% DNA from the Father, not 50% from Holy Spirit 50% from the sinner Mary!

Surrogate mother can call her surrogate son as her seed.

Gen 3:15 doesn't teach us that her ovum will be used because any descendant can be her seed.

It may sound very sad to RCC and other Mary worshippers.


Eliyahu

 

[annsni]

I fully agree with you.

I think the strongest proof is Matthew 1:20

ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος, ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος Κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ, λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβὶδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν, ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου

He was born in Mariam already before He came out of Mariam in Mt 1:25.

The Genao verb which was used for < Abraham begot Issac, Issac begot Jacob,...> was used here.

Many translations including KJV translated differently as conceive, but the original Greek genao is used for Birth.

Jesus was born already in the womb of Mary as a complete human! Holy Spirit didn't fertilize with the ovum of Mary!

Jesus had 100% DNA from the Father, not 50% from Holy Spirit 50% from the sinner Mary!

Surrogate mother can call her surrogate son as her seed.

Gen 3:15 doesn't teach us that her ovum will be used because any descendant can be her seed.

It may sound very sad to RCC and other Mary worshippers.


Eliyahu

In which case what God said in Genesis 3 is wrong?

"I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[e] and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

See that [e]? It means "seed". So it really was not her seed, Jesus, that will bruise Satan's head?

 

[savedbymercy]

eliyahu

I think the strongest proof is Matthew 1:20

ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος, ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος Κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ, λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβὶδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν, ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου

Yes it does explain it. Contrary to Mary's physical children from Joseph, whom were products of her egg, their origin beginning her, Jesus beginning was not in Mary, He was placed in her out of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

That which was conceived in her was ek out of or away from the Holy Ghost. That prep ek means:

A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative

Mary's natural children had an origin from within mary [her egg], but the Baby Jesus did not, He was more like legally adopted in her out from the Holy Ghost !

He was a descendant of David Legally by that Legal Adoption from out of the Holy Ghost into mary, and of course she was an natural descendant of David according to the flesh !

 

[Don]

You are now evading the issue, the purpose of this thread is to expose the misconception that many have that Jesus Christ the Man, born of a Virgin, was a blood jew by nature and birth, for He was not, so please keep your comments in agreement with that in mind. There is no scriptural warrant to believe that Jesus Christ was an ethnic jew by blood !

Ah, finally; this is an anti-semitic thread. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[savedbymercy]

Jesus was not of Mary's Egg, but Christ was placed into her womb by the Power of the Holy Spirit [Matt 1:20], she then fashioned him in His God Given Body[Heb 10:5], for His Body was not of dust as was mary's. Her performance was to form or fashion Him in the Likeness of sinful flesh, to give Him External form. Christ made His Own Blood, and therefor the Blood of God !43

 

[Don]

Dude, seriously, what is your point?

 

[Eliyahu]

In which case what God said in Genesis 3 is wrong?

"I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[e] and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

See that [e]? It means "seed". So it really was not her seed, Jesus, that will bruise Satan's head?

I already explained this point.

If A lady conceived a son by in-vitro and become a surrogate mother for that son and delivered the baby out of her body, then cannot the son be called the seed of the lady?

Jesus is another Adam, the second Adam, who came to this world to rescue the whole race of the first Adam.

Jesus had the body same as Adam before the Fall.

The second Adam came into Mary's Womb first, then came out of it.

Jesus didn't come by falling down from heaven or becoming a human being from the rock or stone, but came as the seed of a woman who was the surrogate mother.

Eliyahu

 

[Yeshua1]

Many today believe Jesus Christ is or was a Jew by Blood, however that is impossible !

You see, Jesus was not born by blood, and Jn 1:13 can also apply to Him Jn 1:13

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

He did not have Joseph's Blood, for he was not the natural father of Jesus Christ; nor did He have mary's blood, but He generated His own Blood while in the womb of the virgin.

Acts 20:28

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus Christ was a Jew in the Truest sense Rom 2:28-29

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

His Praise was not of men, but of God.

It was written of some ethnic jews this Jn 12:43

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

So ethnic jews by blood have no claim on Jesus Christ, none whatsoever, but only Jews that have circumcision of heart, who are inwardly jews, and whose praise is not of men, but of God !

Jesus was and always a Jew, how can he be the peomised jewish messiah, and be yet otherwise?

 

[Eliyahu]

Jesus was not of Mary's Egg, but Christ was placed into her womb by the Power of the Holy Spirit [Matt 1:20], she then fashioned him in His God Given Body[Heb 10:5], for His Body was not of dust as was mary's. Her performance was to form or fashion Him in the Likeness of sinful flesh, to give Him External form. Christ made His Own Blood, and therefor the Blood of God !43

Amen!

Biologically you are absolutely right.


However, as for the Jewishness of Jesus, He didn't come to this world as a
Canadian nor as a German, nor as a Arab, but as a Jew.

Jesus is one of the great Jews, but not by Blood, but by Birth and Growth.


Jesus was, is and will be the King of Israel.


Romans 1:3

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;



Let's be clear about this.


We shouldn't be anti-semitic.


Eliyahu

 

[Yeshua1]

Ah, finally; this is an anti-semitic thread. Thanks for clearing that up.

Jesus HAD to be a PHYSICALl Jew. a descendant of David, in order to be qualified to be the PROMISED MESSIAH!

 

[Eliyahu]

eliyahu



Yes it does explain it. Contrary to Mary's physical children from Joseph, whom were products of her egg, their origin beginning her, Jesus beginning was not in Mary, He was placed in her out of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

That which was conceived in her was ek out of or away from the Holy Ghost. That prep ek means:

A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative

Mary's natural children had an origin from within mary [her egg], but the Baby Jesus did not, He was more like legally adopted in her out from the Holy Ghost !

He was a descendant of David Legally by that Legal Adoption from out of the Holy Ghost into mary, and of course she was an natural descendant of David according to the flesh !

You are absolutely right!

We are talking about the biological aspect.

But ethnically or heritagewise, Jesus was a Jew and came to Israel as the King of Jews.

He was the King of Israel.

The Title on the Cross was King of Jews.

How could non-Jew become the King of Jews?

So, we must distinguish between Biology and Heritage or Ethinc Nationality.

True Christians should be careful not to stand on anti-semitic point of views.

Jesus loved Israel and will come again as the King of Israel.

God bless the people who bless Abraham and curse them who curse Abraham.


Jesus had no blood of Adam's race as He was another Adam, and came to rescue the whole Adam's race.


Jesus was sinless as Adam and Eve were before the Fall.
Body of Jesus was spotless, having no genetic defect as Adam and Eve before the Fall were, having no genes of Leukemea, Daibetes, MS, etc.

He offered the sinless Blood to pay the price for our sins.

His Blood was not received from Mary though the nutrition was supplied thru her.

Jesus existed before Mary was born and showed up in OT times many times.
He ate the meal with Abraham ( Gen 18:1-, John 8:56-)
Jesus wreslted with Jacob ( Gen 32:24-30) much earlier than Mary was born.

Where was the body of Pre-incarnate Yeshua used for wrestling with Jacob gone?



Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

If a woman in USA had a baby by In-Vitro Fertilization of Swedish couple and delivered the baby in USA, cannot the baby be called U.S. citizen?

Cannot the baby be called the seed of the surrogate mother?


Likewise, Jesus came from Heaven ( Jn 16:28, 8:23) but was born into the womb of Mary ( Mt 1:20). He can be a Jew by nationality, by birth, ethnically.
He is a King of Israel, but not a Jew by biological Blood.

Jesus didn't have 50% genes from Mary, 50% from Holy Spirit.

He received everything from His Father.

Jesus had Father, but no mother.


Eliyahu

 

[Revmitchell]

Genesis says Christ is of the seed of the woman. Case closed.