Was MLK Jr. a Christian?

[Van]

You've got a be kidding.

I take it you have never attended a theological seminary or had to take a philosophy class.

Most theological colleges accept atheists. This doesn't mean they teach atheism, or that the atheist has to pretend to be Christian. They express and defend their beliefs and receive a grade based on their paper, not their belief.

Most (if not all) seminaries (grad school) requires the student to hold Christian beliefs (they provide a questionare that is to be answered honestly, and typically references). BUT they do not grade on acceptance or expression of the Seminary's position.

You have got to be kidding. If you claim students do not have to tell their teachers what the teachers want to hear, your credibility is in doubt.

 

[Van]

Not true.

I characterize MLK's beliefs based on his statement of faith (and conclusions) from Crozer, his interactions with Crozer after he graduated, his letters published by his widow in 1998, his mentorship by Proctor, his work with Jones, and his papes published in his autobiography..

Upon what do you base your idea that MLK lied about his beliefs to get into Crozer and lied in his papers there to get a good grade?

But you did not provide links so could read your citations in context. The one snippet you did provide, when read in context did not challenge Christ's divinity, but supported Christ's all in commitment to doing the will of God.

 

[AustinC]

But you did not provide links so could read your citations in context. The one snippet you did provide, when read in context did not challenge Christ's divinity, but supported Christ's all in commitment to doing the will of God.

I gave you the entire Letter from the Birmingham jail. I gave you the entire dissertation.

MLK openly denies Jesus is God.
MLK would, due to his theology, be banned from posting on this board due to rejecting the Trinity.

 

[Van]

Lol.....no.

The MLK holiday is based on his work as a civil rights leader. It should be a holiday.

But Christians need to be faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ, not to any civil rights leader.

MLK explained his belief, stood upon his beliefs expressed at Crozer as the most important in terms of his social gospel (again, read his autobiography).

You worship MLK (dont get me wrong - not as a god). But your worship of the man has skewed your understanding of history.

Once again, a strawman without a quote. Yes, I have Jack, Bobby and Marty among my American heroes, along with Eisenhower, Nimitz, and FDR, plus those guys on Rushmore. And across the pond, I have high regard for Mr. Churchill.

OTOH, I have no regard for Robert E. Lee, the KKK, those that enacted the Jim Crow laws, and those who discriminated against those hard working Asians that did well on their SAT's.

 

[Van]

Do you agree with MLKJ verbatim that “the disciples felt that it was a physical resurrection, that the physical body got up”? Note that he twice says felt rather than believed.

Do you agree verbatim with MLKJ that “Then Paul…tried to synthesize the Greek doctrine of the immortality of the soul with the Jewish Hebrew doctrine of resurrection”?

Do you agree with MLKJ that Paul’s approach was not in agreement with the “disciples” view “that it was a physical [bodily] resurrection”?

See post #54 for the fuller quote.

Some people felt, the disciples felt, that it was a physical resurrection, that the physical body got up. Then paul came on the scene, who had been trained in greek philosophy, who knew a little about greek philosophy and had read a little, probably, of plato and others who believed in the immortality of the soul, and he tried to synthesize the greek doctrine of the immortality of the soul with the jewish hebrew doctrine of resurrection.​

Good Grief, of course Paul taught the resurrection, in fact he said if Christ has not risen from the grave, our faith is in vain.
Folks, ask yourselves why these posters seek to attribute to me unbiblical beliefs, rather than provide quotes from MLK Jr from his sermons and letters?

 

[Van]

I gave you the entire Letter from the Birmingham jail. I gave you the entire dissertation.

MLK openly denies Jesus is God.
MLK would, due to his theology, be banned from posting on this board due to rejecting the Trinity.

Nothing in the letter denies Jesus in God.

 

[JonC]

You have got to be kidding. If you claim students do not have to tell their teachers what the teachers want to hear, your credibility is in doubt.

Your credibility is in doubt by confusing learning technical ideas in school with seminary.

I attended a Christian college (undergrad). In biology you had to answer with the correct answer. BUT in theology you had to defend your view (they taught Christisn doctrine but we had a couple of atheists who defended their belief without suffering a poor grade).

I attended a Baptist seminary. Their teachings were in line with the SBC. But many held views that were not Baptist at all. They argued their beliefs and were not penalized.

It is obvious to any reader who attended seminary that you are clueless here.

 

[JonC]

Once again, a strawman without a quote. Yes, I have Jack, Bobby and Marty among my American heroes, along with Eisenhower, Nimitz, and FDR, plus those guys on Rushmore. And across the pond, I have high regard for Mr. Churchill.

OTOH, I have no regard for Robert E. Lee, the KKK, those that enacted the Jim Crow laws, and those who discriminated against those hard working Asians that did well on their SAT's.

It is interesting to me that Robert E Lee was opposed to slavery, saw it as a great evil and anticipated if left in place it would be the economic downfall of the South.

But that has nothing to do with MLK's accomplishments, his work as a civil rights leader, or the fact that his faith was an articulation of the anti-Christian doctrine of Crozer reconciled with traditional doctrine (thanks to Jones mentorship).

 

[JonC]

But you did not provide links so could read your citations in context. The one snippet you did provide, when read in context did not challenge Christ's divinity, but supported Christ's all in commitment to doing the will of God.

Does anyone think this fellow is so stupid he does not know how to goggle? Neither do I...

 

[AustinC]

Nothing in the letter denies Jesus in God.

Direct quote from the Letter:
"In your statement you asserted that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But can this assertion be logically made? Isn't this like condemning the robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical delvings precipitated the misguided popular mind to make him drink the hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because His unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to His will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion?"

Clearly, MLK is denying the deity of Christ Jesus. Your denial of what MLK said is interesting to me.

 

[AustinC]

Good Grief, of course Paul taught the resurrection, in fact he said if Christ has not risen from the grave, our faith is in vain.
Folks, ask yourselves why these posters seek to attribute to me unbiblical beliefs, rather than provide quotes from MLK Jr from his sermons and letters?

Ask yourself why you refused to read and comprehend the quotes I provided to you.

 

[Van]

Your credibility is in doubt by confusing learning technical ideas in school with seminary.

I attended a Christian college (undergrad). In biology you had to answer with the correct answer. BUT in theology you had to defend your view (they taught Christisn doctrine but we had a couple of atheists who defended their belief without suffering a poor grade).

I attended a Baptist seminary. Their teachings were in line with the SBC. But many held views that were not Baptist at all. They argued their beliefs and were not penalized.

It is obvious to any reader who attended seminary that you are clueless here.

It is obvious to any reader who went to school that you are denying the obvious to advance your bogus viewpoint.

 

[Van]

It is interesting to me that Robert E Lee was opposed to slavery, saw it as a great evil and anticipated if left in place it would be the economic downfall of the South.

But that has nothing to do with MLK's accomplishments, his work as a civil rights leader, or the fact that his faith was an articulation of the anti-Christian doctrine of Crozer reconciled with traditional doctrine (thanks to Jones mentorship).

All sizzle and no steak. MLK Jr expressed many Christian views in His sermons and letters.

 

[Van]

Does anyone think this fellow is so stupid he does not know how to goggle? Neither do I...

LOL, folks you cannot goggle a partial quote is not snippet is provided in "quotes."

 

[Van]

Direct quote from the Letter:
"In your statement you asserted that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But can this assertion be logically made? Isn't this like condemning the robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical delvings precipitated the misguided popular mind to make him drink the hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because His unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to His will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion?"

Clearly, MLK is denying the deity of Christ Jesus. Your denial of what MLK said is interesting to me.

I addressed this bogus claim already, so why do these naysayers ignore the truth.

 

[Van]

Ask yourself why you refused to read and comprehend the quotes I provided to you.

Folks, beware of those who say nothing, but claim they already said it.

 

[AustinC]

All sizzle and no steak. MLK Jr expressed many Christian views in His sermons and letters.

Of course he did. So did Gandhi. So do many liberal pastor's who deny the deity of Christ Jesus.
Van, Satan quotes scripture.

 

[AustinC]

Folks, beware of those who say nothing, but claim they already said it.

LOL, every reading this can see my direct quotes in this thread that come from MLK. They can see my primary sources. I have hid nothing.
How it is that you have missed them is the real question.

 

[AustinC]

I addressed this bogus claim already, so why do these naysayers ignore the truth.

Bogus claim?
It's MLK who made the statement, Van.
My goodness you are hard headed.

 

[Van]

Of course he did. So did Gandhi. So do many liberal pastor's who deny the deity of Christ Jesus.
Van, Satan quotes scripture.

Now this vicious poster compares MLK Jr to Satan. They have no shame, no evidence, only animosity.