Was Satan, son of perdition, born? Yes, he was, of course, decades ago

[Oseas3]

You have Bibles-there's no need to constantly post Scriptures of which you should be aware if you've read the WHOLE Bible, any valid version you care to use.

That is not the case, the real fact is that you have nothing to do with the Word of God - the Word is God - you have nothing to do with the Kingdom of God, you apostatized from faith, the prophetical message of Scriptures, for the current time, it fulfils itself LITERALLY in you, actually you turned an apostate giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; yeah, doctrines of demons, ministers of Devil (2Corinthians 11:v.13-15) , speaking lies in hypocrisy having their conscience seared with a hot iron. 1Ti.4:v.1-2.

My LORD is an excelent example on the battle against your father. He did say to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:v.43-44.

PS.
It is hard to believe you are a follower or member of the Baptist Church. If any member of the Church you attend comes to believe in your lies, he is lost like you, you being a stumblinblock among the brothers of the Church. The tares will be cast into a furnace of fire.

 

[Salty]

PS.
It is hard to believe you are a follower or member of the Baptist Church. If any member of the Church you attend comes to believe in your lies, he is lost like you, you being a stumblinblock among the brothers of the Church. The tares will be cast into a furnace of fire.

Oseas - First - there is NO such thing as the "Baptist Church" You will need a little education on that.
Second - it appears you are not a Baptist - would you care to share of what faith/denomination you are?
Third - be very careful of calling someone a liar.
Fourth- the policy is not to doubt someons salvation.

 

[robycop3]

The Reformers all identified the papacy as the Antichrist. Only those he duped think he is yet to come.
the first written history suggests Arnulf, the archbishop of Reims in the 10th century identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Later Joachim of Fiore in the 12th century preached the Papacy was the Antichrist. This led to the martyrdoms of many Albigenses, Anabaptists and others who in part embraced his views.

And the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

They were simply WRONG. The TRUE AC must fulfill EVERY prophecy about him, to the last letter.

All the previous popes except Benny, who abdicated, died; not one was cast alive into the lake of fire. And not one had a miracle-working false prophet as a deputy. And not one ever renounced every god but himself. And there's been no 'mark of the beast'.

 

[robycop3]

That is not the case, the real fact is that you have nothing to do with the Word of God - the Word is God - you have nothing to do with the Kingdom of God, you apostatized from faith, the prophetical message of Scriptures, for the current time, it fulfils itself LITERALLY in you, actually you turned an apostate giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; yeah, doctrines of demons, ministers of Devil (2Corinthians 11:v.13-15) , speaking lies in hypocrisy having their conscience seared with a hot iron. 1Ti.4:v.1-2.

My LORD is an excelent example on the battle against your father. He did say to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:v.43-44.

PS.
It is hard to believe you are a follower or member of the Baptist Church. If any member of the Church you attend comes to believe in your lies, he is lost like you, you being a stumblinblock among the brothers of the Church. The tares will be cast into a furnace of fire.

I've come to the conclusion that you're a quack.

 

[robycop3]

Oseas - First - there is NO such thing as the "Baptist Church" You will need a little education on that.
Second - it appears you are not a Baptist - would you care to share of what faith/denomination you are?
Third - be very careful of calling someone a liar.
Fourth- the policy is not to doubt someons salvation.

I remember what kind of person doubts another's salvation, when the one being doubted has professed his faith & given a testimony.

 

[Oseas3]

My money is on Jesus will make Satan repent. Actual restorative Justice. In other words the only way to UTTERLY destroy evil......is turn it Good

Ah you say that "your money is on JESUS - my Lord - will make Satan repent". To repent of what, after countless satanic works and evil deeds during millenniums?

For whom that knows the Truth, - God is the Truth - , Satan will be chained and cast into the bottomless pit in this current millennium, and in the end of this millennium, Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. It is impossible your interpretation and opinion to annul or cancel the fulfillment of biblical prophecies, it because ABOVE your beliefs, and ABOVE the beliefs of those who belief like you ... What prevails is the Word of God - the Word is God, understand? - then see what is written in the Word of God that He -God the Father- gave to JESUS my Lord:

Rev. 20:v.1-4 & 7-10
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea, 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: .

9 and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[1689Dave]

They were simply WRONG. The TRUE AC must fulfill EVERY prophecy about him, to the last letter.

All the previous popes except Benny, who abdicated, died; not one was cast alive into the lake of fire. And not one had a miracle-working false prophet as a deputy. And not one ever renounced every god but himself. And there's been no 'mark of the beast'.

If you read Revelation symbolically, you will understand. But not when you read it literally.

 

[robycop3]

If you read Revelation symbolically, you will understand. But not when you read it literally.

Symbolic things always represent something literal. And Rev is largely-literal. While rev. 17 is symbolic, the angel who presented that vision explains its meanings in the latter part of the chapter. But much of the Scripture about the beasts is literal, as are the plagues of the great trib.

 

[1689Dave]

Symbolic things always represent something literal. And Rev is largely-literal. While rev. 17 is symbolic, the angel who presented that vision explains its meanings in the latter part of the chapter. But much of the Scripture about the beasts is literal, as are the plagues of the great trib.

But you missed Antichrist looking for one you imagine in the future. You believe what he meant for you to believe.

 

[Oseas3]

My money is on Jesus will make Satan repent. Actual restorative Justice. In other words the only way to UTTERLY destroy evil......is turn it Good

Romans 12
21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good..

You know Jesus showed up, The messiah was nothing like the Jews expected.

So I think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming.

Right the unrightable wrong.

“If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.”

What prevails is the Word of God. - The Word is God - understand?

João 17:v.12
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. What prevails is the Word of God. - The Word is God -

But the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. God is Spirit - the Word -. therefore, who interprets erroneously the Scriptures by the letter exclusively, and deceive the reader or listeners, as does Satan, he is a killers of souls.

 

[utilyan]

What prevails is the Word of God. - The Word is God - understand?

João 17:v.12
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. What prevails is the Word of God. - The Word is God -

But the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. God is Spirit - the Word -. therefore, who interprets erroneously the Scriptures by the letter exclusively, and deceive the reader or listeners, as does Satan, he is a killers of souls.

If the devil achieves self-destruction as you understand it. The devil would call that a victory. What was once an anointed angel of God loss forever. Evil would call that a victory.
Ezekiel 18

23“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

Evil is not a privilege or perk the one who does evil is also a victim to ignorance and fear.

Ultimately evil does nothing to God, it is us evil doers who are in need of help.

Having the devil, death and hell thrown in the lake of fire is a good thing. As Jesus says if any part of you causes evil it would be good to throw it in hell. Overcome Evil with Good.

We are taught bless those who curse you, Do good to those who hate you. Love your enemy to do as your Father does in heaven.

 

[Oseas3]

If the devil achieves self-destruction as you understand it.

You are saying that. You interpreted in accord your understanding, not in accord of mine understanding, not in accord of my spirit, but yours.

You interpreted erroneously. Satan, that old serpent, which is the Devil, will be laid hold/arrested and bound, and will be cast into the bottomless pit by the archangel Michael, and will be put a seal upon Satan, lest he deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years be ended.

Where is his self-destruction of the Enemy according your untrue theory and understanding?

The devil would call that a victory. What was once an anointed angel of God loss forever. Evil would call that a victory.

Your theory is insignificant, signifyes nothing, it is tares, it is not from heavenly source, but from the waters that move at the face of abyss. What prevails is the powerful Word of God, by the way, a sharp Sword. - The Word is God, understand? -

 

[utilyan]

You are saying that. You interpreted in accord your understanding, not in accord of mine understanding, not in accord of my spirit, but yours.

You interpreted erroneously. Satan, that old serpent, which is the Devil, will be laid hold/arrested and bound, and will be cast into the bottomless pit by the archangel Michael, and will be put a seal upon Satan, lest he deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years be ended.

Where is his self-destruction of the Enemy according your untrue theory and understanding?


Your theory is insignificant, signifyes nothing, it is tares, it is not from heavenly source, but from the waters that move at the face of abyss. What prevails is the powerful Word of God, by the way, a sharp Sword. - The Word is God, understand? -

Do good to those who hate you. That is do as God does.

God can show mercy on whom he wants. He created all things GOOD. He did not make the Devil evil.

CAN he make the devil good again? Nothing is impossible with God. He can throw anyone in the lake of fire and bring them back the next day if he pleases. God is not subject to your judgment.

"Where is his self-destruction of the Enemy according your untrue theory and understanding?"

All evil is ignorance and a corruption of Good. Corrupt good completely Then it is already completely destroyed, there is nothing there to hurt, destroy or save.


The devil doesn't want heaven he wants everything including himself damned. The devil wants you damned, he gets no joy from you being saved. He delights in violence and destruction.

Evil actually is evil.

 

[Oseas3]

Evil is not a privilege or perk the one who does evil is also a victim to ignorance and fear.
Ultimately evil does nothing to God, it is us evil doers who are in need of help.

What does the Word of God say? The Word is God. What you say is not true. You must study better Scriptures, not only by the letter, the letter kills, and you will be a killer of souls.

Ignorance? Now, from two thousand years ago until today has been preached to the peoples Acts 17:v.30-31, saying: 30 - But God, not taking into account the times of ignorance, now announces to all men, and everywhere, that they repent; 31 Because he hath appointed a Day, - this Day arrived - in the which he will Judge the WORLD in righteousness by the MAN whom he hath ordained/appointed; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

And fear? What does the Word of God say? The Word is God.
Isaiah 8:v.13-15

13 Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let Him be your FEAR, and let Him be your dread.

14 And he shall be for a sanctuary;
but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Again: Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your FEAR, and let him be your dread.

JESUS said: Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

What prevails is the Word of God; the Word is God, understand?

 

[Oseas3]

Romans 12
21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good..

You know Jesus showed up, The messiah was nothing like the Jews expected.

So I think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming. Right the unrightable wrong.

Ah "you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming. Right the unrightable wrong".

First, what does the Word of God say? The Word is God, understand? Isaiah 55:v.7-9
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Again: So you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming? Right the unrightable wrong.

What does the Word of God says? Rev. 11:v.15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy Great Power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath - God's wrath - is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that FEAR thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. --> There will no escape, by no manner of means, and it is from now on, in days that follow, day by day. - The Word is God -

 

[utilyan]

Ah "you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming. Right the unrightable wrong".

First, what does the Word of God say? The Word is God, understand? Isaiah 55:v.7-9
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Again: So you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming? Right the unrightable wrong.

What does the Word of God says? Rev. 11:v.15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy Great Power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath - God's wrath - is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that FEAR thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. --> There will no escape, by no manner of means, and it is from now on, in days that follow, day by day. - The Word is God -

So you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming? Right the unrightable wrong.

Yes. Only Love can obliterate Evil. God is Love. IF the devil does repent then he has been destroyed.

God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. That can mean he has mercy on none, that can mean he has mercy on some, that can mean he can mercy on all.

I believe God is way more merciful than you can fathom.

 

[Oseas3]

>>>So you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming? Right the unrightable wrong.<<<

You said that, as follows below, not me. What you said is a lie, is false, so it is evil. But you replied my post and assumed not what you said as I quoted below, it is the spirit of confusion.

So I think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming.
Right the unrightable wrong.

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My money is on Jesus will make Satan repent.

[QUOTE="utilyan, post: 2627687, member: 12747"]Yes. Only Love can obliterate Evil. God is Love. IF the devil does repent then he has been destroyed.
God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. That can mean he has mercy on none, that can mean he has mercy on some, that can mean he can mercy on all.
I believe God is way more merciful than you can fathom.[/QUOTE]~

Friend, the discussion is on the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, not about tares you have come sowing here through your false interpretations.

The Ominiscient and Omniportent LORD God has already given a sentence to the Devil, the former Cherub, he is already condemned to eternal perdition, UNDERSTAND? God Almighty said propheticaly about the former Cherub: You has sinned, you became filled with violence, therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy you, O covering cherub(keruv), from the midst of the stones of fire. You has corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness, for the sake of your splendor. I will cast thee to the ground, you has defiled the sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee, you shall be a terror, the peoples will be aghast at you, and never shall you be any more, you will cease to exist.
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utilyan,
See, you are wasting your time interceeding for Satan, don't you?

 

[utilyan]

>>>So you think God is throw a bigger twist at the 2nd coming? Right the unrightable wrong.<<<

You said that, as follows below, not me. What you said is a lie, is false, so it is evil. But you replied my post and assumed not what you said as I quoted below, it is the spirit of confusion.


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[QUOTE="utilyan, post: 2627687, member: 12747"]Yes. Only Love can obliterate Evil. God is Love. IF the devil does repent then he has been destroyed.
God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. That can mean he has mercy on none, that can mean he has mercy on some, that can mean he can mercy on all.
I believe God is way more merciful than you can fathom.~

Friend, the discussion is on the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, not about tares you have come sowing here through your false interpretations.

The Ominiscient and Omniportent LORD God has already given a sentence to the Devil, the former Cherub, he is already condemned to eternal perdition, UNDERSTAND? God Almighty said propheticaly about the former Cherub: You has sinned, you became filled with violence, therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy you, O covering cherub(keruv), from the midst of the stones of fire. You has corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness, for the sake of your splendor. I will cast thee to the ground, you has defiled the sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee, you shall be a terror, the peoples will be aghast at you, and never shall you be any more, you will cease to exist.
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utilyan,
See, you are wasting your time interceeding for Satan, don't you?

Sorry but God is MORE wonderful then your idea.

God can PROPHETICALLY tell you to your face that YOU will be damned and you end up being SAVED by God.

Ezekiel 33

14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.


"wasting your time interceeding for Satan"

If you ever met God you could believe he could pull it off. But come Judgement day. I want you to present the accusation to God, Dear Lord here is this man who thinks you are so powerful, kind and loving, He actually expected your mercy to have mercy on your worst enemy the devil, What a joke right? You can't possibly be this merciful and loving.

And when God turns to you and says "You don't believe I am this merciful". I want to see the LOOK ON YOUR FACE.

Because you have no way of delivering the accusation without insulting God.

 

[Oseas3]

Sorry but God is MORE wonderful then your idea.

God can PROPHETICALLY tell you to your face that YOU will be damned and you end up being SAVED by God.

Ezekiel 33

14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.

"wasting your time interceeding for Satan"

If you ever met God you could believe he could pull it off. But come Judgement day. I want you to present the accusation to God, Dear Lord here is this man who thinks you are so powerful, kind and loving, He actually expected your mercy to have mercy on your worst enemy the devil, What a joke right? You can't possibly be this merciful and loving.

And when God turns to you and says "You don't believe I am this merciful". I want to see the LOOK ON YOUR FACE.

Because you have no way of delivering the accusation without insulting God.

Now, now, to speak of God and his works it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of God, understand? You continues wasting your time interceeding for Satan, and now you waste your time with jokes you have posted in your foolish and ridiculous message, with the exception of the verses you transcribed from Ezekiel 33, of course. Remember the Word of God: Galatians 6: He that sows through of the flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption; do not be fooled, be not yourself deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

 

[utilyan]

Now, now, to speak of God and his works it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of God, understand? You continues wasting your time interceeding for Satan, and now you waste your time with jokes you have posted in your foolish and ridiculous message, with the exception of the verses you transcribed from Ezekiel 33, of course. Remember the Word of God: Galatians 6: He that sows through of the flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption; do not be fooled, be not yourself deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

Well then quit mocking his mercy as being less then MINE at least.