I dont disagree with scripture....I disagree with you. And do not tell me how I got saved, I consider it questioning my salvation.
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Was sin foreordained and pre-determined by God
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I dont disagree with scripture....I disagree with you. And do not tell me how I got saved, I consider it questioning my salvation.
I'm sitting here listening to R.C. Sproul on tv and he just said "the ONLY way to be saved is to possess the righteousness of Christ, which is imputed by faith".
I totally agree, even though I'm not a Calvinist as is Mr. Sproul.
So please tell us EWF, how did you get the righteousness of Christ imputed to you before you had faith?
I would love to read your testimony.
I totally agree, even though I'm not a Calvinist as is Mr. Sproul.
So please tell us EWF, how did you get the righteousness of Christ imputed to you before you had faith?
I would love to read your testimony.
Its on here a few times.....go back to the archives. And yes you do need faith but not before Grace....that Im positive he (RC ) would also identify. Any Calvinist would insist that salvation is by grace alone but of course your saying its gotta be by divine grace PLUS effort--thats what your non calvinistic theology try's to encourage. Good luck with that!
freeatlast
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It is the bible that is disagrees with you. No one gets saved without faith. I am glad that you finally came to faith and got saved, but no one gets saved before they have faith.
EPH. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
There are no exceptions, not even you. No faith, no salvation.
Sorry. Could you repost it? All I have seen is you saying that you were saved and then you had faith. And you are wrong that non-cals add to grace. We are not Catholic. Please....let it go.
Sorry. Could you repost it? All I have seen is you saying that you were saved and then you had faith. And you are wrong that non-cals add to grace. We are not Catholic. Please....let it go.
Ah come on....are you denying that your theological moorings insist that divine sovereignty must somehow be accommodated to human capability? Election & reprobation to you folks are not divine decrees; they are based on human choices. The efficacy of atonement does not rest on Christ's saving work alone but on the sinner's faith & repentance, i.e., although God's grace is attractive & persuasive, it is not powerful enough to triumph over those who stubbornly resist His love. Therefore your kind would just relegate someone like me to hell....correct?
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freeatlast
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For some reason you seem to think you are special. Your sins are no greater then anyone else's and the salvation that God offers others is the same as He offers you. Everyone has to come the same way. By repentance and faith and God will save them. There is no other way to come.
Ahhhh yea I do, dont you? so tell me FAL how did the apostle Paul get regenerated?
Guess Charles Spurgeon thought he was pretty special too! :smilewinkgrin:
When you say, "Can God make me become a Christian?" I tell you yes, for herein rests the power of the gospel. It does not ask your consent; but it gets it. It does not say, "Will you have it?" but it makes you willing in the day of God's power....The gospel wants not your consent, it gets it. It knocks the enmity out of your heart. You say, I do not want to be saved; Christ says you shall be. He makes our will turn round, and then you cry,"'Lord save, or I perish!"
When you say, "Can God make me become a Christian?" I tell you yes, for herein rests the power of the gospel. It does not ask your consent; but it gets it. It does not say, "Will you have it?" but it makes you willing in the day of God's power....The gospel wants not your consent, it gets it. It knocks the enmity out of your heart. You say, I do not want to be saved; Christ says you shall be. He makes our will turn round, and then you cry,"'Lord save, or I perish!"
I didn't say that nor think that either. I'm not denying there is much mystery and unseen aspects in our faith, but as you said we have a lot of fact to rest our faith in as well. good point. Just to be sure you didn't mistake me for partaking in personal attacks here is my exact statement:
"Righteous dude,
I hate to say this but I disagree with your theory .
Sounds like the excuse, "billions of religions in the world and its outright arrogant to claim you have the answer!"
No offense "
All I said was it sounds like the excuse. I didn't say it sounds like an arrogant excuse.
As hard as it is I do my best not to pick teams or make enemies although it is challenging hehe
The Archangel
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Watch out Luke, you may get to a point your buying all your clothes from L.L. Bean some day
Hey now! There's nothing wrong with wanting to be the poster-child for L. L. Bean!
One should aspire to such heights!
The Archangel
preacher4truth
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Hey now! There's nothing wrong with wanting to be the poster-child for L. L. Bean!
One should aspire to such heights!
The Archangel
Yall need to quit playin' around with the LL Bean and Bass Pro Shops junk and get into some real "man clothes" over at www.filson.com. You were predestined for the best. :thumbsup:
The Archangel
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There is a problem here. First, translation is not supposed to be about interpretation (although, inevitably, some interpretation does happen). But, the translators' main task is to bring the original language into the new language. So, when translating a passage, such as this one, the other passages should not be brought to bear. This is not to say, however, that in interpretation--after the translation--other passages should not be brought to bear.
I think you're confusing translation and interpretation.
But, I also have to ask how do you suggest this passage be translated?
I agree--it is dangerous to base any one doctrine on just one verse (hence, things like snake handling should not be practiced, etc.).
But, as far as election is concerned, Acts 13:48 is not the only verse. Election is interwoven through the pages of scripture from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.
In fact, Genesis is full of God's electing purposes. Do we really think that Jacob, for instance, was Mr.-Believer-Guy when God chose him? It is quite the contrary. Almost everything suggests that the better choice would have been Esau (though neither of the boys were believers; Jacob would certainly become one later).
How about Exodus? Are we to think that Moses was everything a believer should have been? Not in the least. Of course he murdered the Egyptian, but even when God appeared to him at the burning bush, Moses' faith was quite in doubt.
So, faith in Moses' life and faith in Jacob's life came as a result of God's electing purpose.
I could go on. I won't. I think these two examples give us plenty to discuss.
Blessings,
The Archangel
The Archangel
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Thanks for the link!!! It looks like great stuff. Of course, I think L. L. Bean, Bass Pro Shops and Filson probably buy their stuff from the same folks--some guy named Fred in NE Louisiana.
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quantumfaith
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I didn't say that nor think that either. I'm not denying there is much mystery and unseen aspects in our faith, but as you said we have a lot of fact to rest our faith in as well. good point. Just to be sure you didn't mistake me for partaking in personal attacks here is my exact statement:
"Righteous dude,
I hate to say this but I disagree with your theory .
Sounds like the excuse, "billions of religions in the world and its outright arrogant to claim you have the answer!"
No offense "
All I said was it sounds like the excuse. I didn't say it sounds like an arrogant excuse.
As hard as it is I do my best not to pick teams or make enemies although it is challenging hehe
Its all good.
I like this scripture:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty: and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence" (1 Cor. 1:26-29)
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty: and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence" (1 Cor. 1:26-29)
freeatlast
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Paul was treated as any other person is treated in reagrds to salvation. It takes repentance towawrds God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. No one gets saved without faith.
My brothers....this Filson company looks like good-stuff....looks rugged too. Preach do they have clothing similar to Carhart? Both my son & I work in the trades. He particularly is outside allot & we need good & rugged & warm clothing.:thumbs:
Thanks
How Can God be Associated with Anything...
.... So evil as sin itself? How can God, who created all that we see and comprehend as being "good" have anything to do with the dark stench of sin? How can anyone even begin to consider that God, who is the consummate point of all that is right about this universe even be included in the same sentence and category of having anything to do with "sin?"
.... So evil as sin itself? How can God, who created all that we see and comprehend as being "good" have anything to do with the dark stench of sin? How can anyone even begin to consider that God, who is the consummate point of all that is right about this universe even be included in the same sentence and category of having anything to do with "sin?"
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