Was the world created millions and millions of years ago, part 2?

[Thinkingstuff]

Who said we're talking of Mars or Jupiter or Mercury?

We're talking Earth here.

Wait this is what you said:

A day is a day, no matter what you believe about it.

Well how is it measured?

The ordinary day, or solar day, is measured relative to the sun, being the time between successive passages of the sun over a stationary observer's celestial meridian .

And what if you're stationary at antartica observing the movement of the sun?

On Antarctica's coast, where our stations are located, there is usually a couple of weeks in mid-winter (around 21 June) when the sun does not rise, and a couple of weeks in summer around Christmas when there is 24-hour sunlight.

Hmmm. Sounds relative to the perspective you hold.

Also in Genesis isn't the earth established before the sun and stars?

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So if God already establish 24 hours for a day the it should be universal but its not. Hmmm. A day is based on the observer. In the middle east sun rise to sun rise is roughley 24 hours.

 

[Jarthur001]

Wait this is what you said:


Well how is it measured?

And what if you're stationary at antartica observing the movement of the sun?

Wrong.

How long is an hour on Mars?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I can't keep up with this thread!

Then, I would say that astrophysics is wrong. Can they prove what they think about the age of he universe? They don't even think God created anything, do they?

I would say your interpretation of the bible is wrong. :type: Why don't the same people here who take genesis literally not take the body and blood literally?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Wrong.

How long is an hour on Mars?

I love answers on this board.


Your wrong. And once again you've proven me right and that your wrong by your silly question because then you fall back on relativeness which supports my position. Because is a martian hour is broken down by its day which is relatively longer than our day then 24 hours is meaningless based on your perseption and it could last an eon.

 

[Jarthur001]

I love answers on this board.


Your wrong. And once again you've proven me right and that your wrong by your silly question because then you fall back on relativeness which supports my position. Because is a martian hour is broken down by its day which is relatively longer than our day then 24 hours is meaningless based on your perseption and it could last an eon.

Please use your mind for a moment sir.

If you have a globe and no matter where you place your measuring point on that globe it still will take the same amount of time for one day to past in that globe. If you place your point at the top ....close to the point where it spins, the globe will SEEM to spin much slower.

If you place it on the middle of the globe, the globe will SEEM to spin faster. You are at a closer point to the center at the top than you are in the middle.

Yet in ALL cases where ever you place your point of measure it will always take 24 hours!!! ALWAYS!!!

If you only move 1 foot from center, and mark your place of measurement, it will take 24 hours for that one foot measurement to be in the same spot again. If you place it 10 miles from the center, again it will take 24 hours to make it back to the same point again. 1000 miles...same thing.

ALWAYS.

If you move to Mars you have another globe that has new hours based on the globe.

Its sad that I must point this out to you.

 

[annsni]

I would say your interpretation of the bible is wrong. :type: Why don't the same people here who take genesis literally not take the body and blood literally?

Because we're commanded to not drink blood.

Can you show me where consecrated bread and wine become flesh and blood? I think not - so it's symbolic.

 

[Revmitchell]

I love answers on this board.

What you love is to bask in the glow of your own self importance.

 

[annsni]

Wait this is what you said:


Well how is it measured?

And what if you're stationary at antartica observing the movement of the sun?



Hmmm. Sounds relative to the perspective you hold.

Also in Genesis isn't the earth established before the sun and stars?


So if God already establish 24 hours for a day the it should be universal but its not. Hmmm. A day is based on the observer. In the middle east sun rise to sun rise is roughley 24 hours.

A day is 24 hours here on earth no matter where you are. If you're on Antarctica, a day is still 24 hours. It's not the perspective you hold other than what's observable about the sun and a day involves a full rotation of the earth so the sun is in the same place it was the day before.

Yes, in Genesis the earth is established before the sun and stars - and God still called a day a day. He told us He gave us the sun, moon and stars to mark days and seasons.

Do people in Antarctica - or the middle east - have more or less than 365.25 days per year? No.

 

[annsni]

I love answers on this board.


Your wrong. And once again you've proven me right and that your wrong by your silly question because then you fall back on relativeness which supports my position. Because is a martian hour is broken down by its day which is relatively longer than our day then 24 hours is meaningless based on your perseption and it could last an eon.

Can you show me an outside source for a "martian hour" and it's definition?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Because we're commanded to not drink blood.

Can you show me where consecrated bread and wine become flesh and blood? I think not - so it's symbolic.

Because Jesus said: "This IS my body" pretty clear. He said it just like that. You have to add mans theories to believe it isn't literal. Don't you believe in Miracles? Don't you understand the ramifications of not believing what Jesus said is true? You must not believe the rest of the bible.

 

[Revmitchell]

Can you show me an outside source for a "martian hour" and it's definition?

You could always ask him:

 

[Thinkingstuff]

What you love is to bask in the glow of your own self importance.

I'm basking right next you brother.

 

[annsni]

Because Jesus said: "This IS my body" pretty clear. He said it just like that. You have to add mans theories to believe it isn't literal. Don't you believe in Miracles? Don't you understand the ramifications of not believing what Jesus said is true? You must not believe the rest of the bible.

Tell me where Jesus' door knob would be (John 10:7)

As for the rest of it, I don't answer foolish questions.

 

[canadyjd]

You have to fudge you're science to make your view of the bible fit.

And this is the meat of your argument, isn't it?

In your view, the bible must submit itself to science in order to be valid. Therefore, you will always give the scientific theories of men first place in your understanding of God....and always twist and conform the bible to fit those scientific theories of men.

And with that clear truth, I've had enough your musings.

peace to youraying:

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Please use your mind for a moment sir.

If you have a globe and no matter where you place your measuring point on that globe it still will take the same amount of time for one day to past in that globe. If you place your point at the top ....close to the point where it spins, the globe will SEEM to spin much slower.

If you place it on the middle of the globe, the globe will SEEM to spin faster. You are at a closer point to the center at the top than you are in the middle.

Yet in ALL cases where ever you place your point of measure it will always take 24 hours!!! ALWAYS!!!

If you only move 1 foot from center, and mark your place of measurement, it will take 24 hours for that one foot measurement to be in the same spot again. If you place it 10 miles from the center, again it will take 24 hours to make it back to the same point again. 1000 miles...same thing.

ALWAYS.

If you move to Mars you have another globe that has new hours based on the globe.

Its sad that I must point this out to you.

All you've done is broken the world into 24 segements and you can place the same segements on any size globe and an any rotation rates of speed. Still a silly arguments because a day is always measured by the observes relation to the sun. That how the ancient world worked. And you've excluded rotation rates. So using the same globe. If we hold that the current rotation rate as the point of referrence and I spin the globe faster the relation to the sun would be shorter or the sun would be in the sky for a shorter period of time. If I spin the globe more slowly the sun would be in the sky for a longer period of time. So what if I said the earth rotated once on the day of creation much more slowly than the earth currently rotates. So our day is shorter than on the day of creation in which case in relationship in comparative times the first day could have lasted an eon. You're still dealing with relativity. The ancient world had no idea that the earth was round if they did they may have measured a day in 360 segments. But they didn't. They almost did a year. Why because time is based on the earths relation to the sun.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Tell me where Jesus' door knob would be (John 10:7)

As for the rest of it, I don't answer foolish questions.

I'm using your arguments. So if thats how you feel about it maybe your argument is foolish.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

And this is the meat of your argument, isn't it?

In your view, the bible must submit itself to science in order to be valid. Therefore, you will always give the scientific theories of men first place in your understanding of God....and always twist and conform the bible to fit those scientific theories of men.

And with that clear truth, I've had enough your musings.

peace to youraying:

I've had enough of your musings. Arguing with you is like trying to convince a Mormon that there is no evidence of Lehi or lost isreali tribes in North America. It doesn't matter that there is no evidence to support the book of mormon with relation to this. Because they have a burning in their bussom its true. That no matter what the facts are you choose not to accept them.

 

[Jim1999]

One question: What is the chemical composition of dust, and what is the chemical composition of a decomposed human body?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Palatka51]

One question: What is the chemical composition of dust, and what is the chemical composition of a decomposed human body?

Cheers,

Jim

Dust = carbon, hydrogen,oxygen,nitrogen and sulfur,plus other trace elements.

Human body
Main article: Chemical makeup of the human body

By mass, human cells consist of 65-90% water (H2O), and a significant portion is composed of carbon-containing organic molecules. Oxygen therefore contributes a majority of a human body's mass, followed by carbon. 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus.
Element Percent by mass
Oxygen 65
Carbon 18
Hydrogen 10
Nitrogen 3
Calcium 1.5
Phosphorus 1.2
Potassium 0.2
Sulfur 0.2
Chlorine 0.2
Sodium 0.1
Magnesium 0.05
Iron, Cobalt, Copper, Zinc, Iodine <0.05 each
Selenium, Fluorine <0.01 each

Chang, Raymond (2007). Chemistry, Ninth Edition. McGraw-Hill. pp. 52. ISBN 0-07-110595-6.

You were saying, Mr Cheerful? :godisgood:

 

[Jim1999]

Forensically, there are five different compositions of dust, as we know dust in the air. Those compositions change with atmosphere. Then we have the dust that settles on the earth without contamnation and there are four different layers, each with their own composition. It just doesn't compare to either the human or animal makeup.

Good to see that at least you tried to look into it. I should imagine there are many confusing pages on the topic.

Cheers,

Jim