Washington Death Penalty Suspended By Governor Jay Inslee

[Alcott]

"There is too much at stake to accept an imperfect system."

Oh, did they use the stake there?

 

[Alcott]

Not the Old Testament. Christ and grace are the New Testament.

Yes or No: Is Christ outside the Old Testament?

Yes or No: Does the New Testament teach anything whatsoever about what, if anything, should be the civil penalty for murder?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Not the Old Testament. Christ and grace are the New Testament.

Are you actually that foolish that you do not know that Christ is throughout the Bible, not limited to the New Testament? Or that Christ is the Living Word, and that includes the words that came before His emptying Himself to be take the form of a bond-servant, humbling Himself even to the point of death on the cross? Really??

 

[Crabtownboy]

Are you actually that foolish that you do not know that Christ is throughout the Bible, not limited to the New Testament? Or that Christ is the Living Word, and that includes the words that came before His emptying Himself to be take the form of a bond-servant, humbling Himself even to the point of death on the cross? Really??

What did Christ teach while here on earth with his disciples?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes or No: Is Christ outside the Old Testament?

Yes or No: Does the New Testament teach anything whatsoever about what, if anything, should be the civil penalty for murder?

Do unto others what you would have done to you.

Why such a thirst for blood?

 

[Alcott]

Do unto others what you would have done to you.

Alright-- if see a beautiful woman walking down the street, and nothing would please me more than for her to come to me, throw her arms around me, and give me a long passionate kiss, should I do that to her, since it's what I would have her do to me?

Why such a thirst for blood?

With this cold I've got, just about anything liquid I have a thirst for.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Alright-- if see a beautiful woman walking down the street, and nothing would please me more than for her to come to me, throw her arms around me, and give me a long passionate kiss, should I do that to her, since it's what I would have her do to me?

Sorry you are not feeling well.

Your reply reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago. A man died and found himself in hell. A demon took him to a room.

"This is your room," the demon said as he opened the door.

Inside was the most beautiful woman the man had ever seen.

"Who is she," he asked"

"She is your roommate," the demon replied.

"What, she is my hell. I have never seen such a beautiful women and she is my roommate forever."

"Yes," the demon replied, "but she is not your hell. You are her hell."

 

[Bro. Curtis]

How do you know it was not court ordered. We are not given all the details.

Strange how blood thirsty some are.

Strange how you gotta turn everything personal. Some sort of insult, put down is always associated with your posts, but seldom facts. We know it wasn't court ordered because the man would have been present. TND and Prophet and myself all addressed this.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Prophet, you are right. Jesus doesn't appear to have stopped anything.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Strange how you gotta turn everything personal. Some sort of insult, put down is always associated with your posts, but seldom facts. We know it wasn't court ordered because the man would have been present. TND and Prophet and myself all addressed this.

Not necessarily. Male dominated societies often protect men ... but not women.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

:laugh:


So then the death penalty might not be "necessarily" banned.


If you're going to tell me God and Christ said different things, you need to do better than "not necessarily".

 

[Don]

CTB -- I'd still like an answer to the questions I asked on page 1:

What if they are guilty?

What if justice is fairly meted out?

 

[Crabtownboy]

What if they are guilty?

What if justice is fairly meted out?

Don, life with no chance of parole. To me that is a worse punishment than being executed. Also, in our system it is less expensive. Also, with years to ponder what they have done maybe, just maybe they will turn to Christ and be saved.

 

[church mouse guy]

Don, life with no chance of parole. To me that is a worse punishment than being executed. Also, in our system it is less expensive. Also, with years to ponder what they have done maybe, just maybe they will turn to Christ and be saved.

Don, here is a full admission that this is the stinking thinking of a man and not Scripture.

Don, as you well know, the expense of executions is connected with our crooked lawyers for the last half century or more filing endless appeals over nothing and clogging the courts with garbage. We have a murderer on death row here in Indiana since 1989. This is a contradiction of speedy and fair justice.

Don, the Democrats have no Scripture. They are not exactly students of hermeneutics, are they?

 

[Don]

Don, life with no chance of parole. To me that is a worse punishment than being executed. Also, in our system it is less expensive. Also, with years to ponder what they have done maybe, just maybe they will turn to Christ and be saved.

Okay, that just doesn't make a lick of sense. How do you justify that an execution is less expensive than life in prison?

Second, how do you justify that life in prison is a worse punishment than execution? If someone murdered your wife, and you are then asked to pay taxes each year to ensure that murderer has clothing, shelter, food, and entertainment, how is that punishment?

Your thinking is from the point of view of the murderer. Where is your regard for the victim? Or the victim's survivors? Or the rest of society that must live with the thought that a murderer is still among us?

I'm not talking about revenge, or even vengeance. I'm talking about what's best for society.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Okay, that just doesn't make a lick of sense. How do you justify that an execution is less expensive than life in prison?

Executions in our system cost more than keeping the person in prison for the rest of their life. This has been know for quite a long time and is well researched. One example is the article in the link I give here:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Second, how do you justify that life in prison is a worse punishment than execution? If someone murdered your wife, and you are then asked to pay taxes each year to ensure that murderer has clothing, shelter, food, and entertainment, how is that punishment?

That is an easy one. If someone murdered my wife I would much rather they be in prison for the rest of their life. Prison is a terrible place to be and to be there for years and years and years is about the worst punishment I can think of.

Once a person is executed their pain, suffering, regret is over.

Your thinking is from the point of view of the murderer. Where is your regard for the victim? Or the victim's survivors? Or the rest of society that must live with the thought that a murderer is still among us?

I'm not talking about revenge, or even vengeance. I'm talking about what's best for society.

As I said above life without parole, to me, is a much worse punishment.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So you're going on your own understanding, and have given up the argument that Christ banned the death penalty ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Once a person is executed their pain, suffering, regret is over.

Why are you so focused on their pain, and not the victim's ?


Once a deserving person has been executed, the chance they will hurt someone else is removed.

 

[Don]

Executions in our system cost more than keeping the person in prison for the rest of their life. This has been know for quite a long time and is well researched. One example is the article in the link I give here:

Technically, you're only partially correct. It's not the executions that cost more than keeping the person in prison; it's the automatic appeals, separate prison arrangements for those on death row, etc., etc.

That is an easy one. If someone murdered my wife I would much rather they be in prison for the rest of their life. Prison is a terrible place to be and to be there for years and years and years is about the worst punishment I can think of.

Prison's not supposed to be a nice place. It's supposed to be a place that people want to avoid, to the point of curbing their behavior so that they won't go there. And yet, our prisons are full.

Once a person is executed their pain, suffering, regret is over.

What pain? What suffering? What regret?

So what you just said was that you prefer them to spend the rest of their lives in pain and suffering?

How is that the Christ-like point of view?

As I said above life without parole, to me, is a much worse punishment.

Duly noted.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Technically, you're only partially correct. It's not the executions that cost more than keeping the person in prison; it's the automatic appeals, separate prison arrangements for those on death row, etc., etc.

And I do not believe that is going to change.


Prison's not supposed to be a nice place. It's supposed to be a place that people want to avoid, to the point of curbing their behavior so that they won't go there. And yet, our prisons are full.

I agree and that is why life without parole is worse than being executed.

It does say something about our society that we have more people per capita in prison than any country in the world. The majority are in prison for nonviolent crimes. Maybe we need to rethink nonviolent crime and incarceration. Could be an interesting thread.

What pain? What suffering? What regret?

So what you just said was that you prefer them to spend the rest of their lives in pain and suffering?

How is that the Christ-like point of view?


Duly noted.

I do not remember Christ speaking about prison.

However, with life without parole there are some who could

come to know and accept Christ and be saved ... even though they are in jail.