Craigbythesea
Well-Known Member
Van said:
Let us try to provide more clarity in the translation of "baptism" (G908) which appears about 22 times in the NT.
To my, perhaps flawed understanding, the word is used to refer to three distinct baptisms or immersions;
1) Water baptism - Matthew 3:7, 21:25; Mark 1:4, 11:30; Luke 3:3, 7:29, 20:4; Acts 1:22, 10:37, 13:24, 18:25, 19:3-4.
2) Baptism of fire, the "cup" of sacrifice - Mark 10:38, 10:39, Luke 12:50
3) Spiritual baptism - Romans 6:4, Ephesians 4:5, 1 Peter 3:21
I am horrified to find such “stuff” posted on a Baptist message board.
I Peter 3:21. And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you--not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (NRSV)
I do not know of even one New Testament scholar specializing today in the study of the Epistles of Peter, Baptist or otherwise, who does not believe that 1 Peter 3:21 is speaking of water baptism and the efficacy of it for salvation. 1 Peter 3:21 expressly says that “baptism now saves you.” The remaining portion of the verse clarifies the fact that it is “not the removal of dirt from the flesh” during water baptism that saves us, but it is the appeal to God through water baptism for a good conscious that saves us, and this is possible only through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Eph. 4:4. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling,
5. one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6. one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all. (NRSV)
I do not know of even one New Testament scholar specializing today in the study of Ephesians, Baptist or otherwise, who does not believe that Ephesians 4:4-6 is speaking of water baptism.
Roman 6:4. Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
7. For whoever has died is freed from sin.
8. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
9. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
10. The death he died, he died to sin, once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. (NRSV)
All hands, except for one, agree that this passage speaking of “baptism into death” rather than baptism into the Holy Spirit.
Let us try to provide more clarity in the translation of "baptism" (G908) which appears about 22 times in the NT.
To my, perhaps flawed understanding, the word is used to refer to three distinct baptisms or immersions;
1) Water baptism - Matthew 3:7, 21:25; Mark 1:4, 11:30; Luke 3:3, 7:29, 20:4; Acts 1:22, 10:37, 13:24, 18:25, 19:3-4.
2) Baptism of fire, the "cup" of sacrifice - Mark 10:38, 10:39, Luke 12:50
3) Spiritual baptism - Romans 6:4, Ephesians 4:5, 1 Peter 3:21
I am horrified to find such “stuff” posted on a Baptist message board.
I Peter 3:21. And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you--not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (NRSV)
I do not know of even one New Testament scholar specializing today in the study of the Epistles of Peter, Baptist or otherwise, who does not believe that 1 Peter 3:21 is speaking of water baptism and the efficacy of it for salvation. 1 Peter 3:21 expressly says that “baptism now saves you.” The remaining portion of the verse clarifies the fact that it is “not the removal of dirt from the flesh” during water baptism that saves us, but it is the appeal to God through water baptism for a good conscious that saves us, and this is possible only through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Eph. 4:4. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling,
5. one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6. one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all. (NRSV)
I do not know of even one New Testament scholar specializing today in the study of Ephesians, Baptist or otherwise, who does not believe that Ephesians 4:4-6 is speaking of water baptism.
Roman 6:4. Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
7. For whoever has died is freed from sin.
8. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
9. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
10. The death he died, he died to sin, once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. (NRSV)
All hands, except for one, agree that this passage speaking of “baptism into death” rather than baptism into the Holy Spirit.
