We have to obey Jesus!

[DHK]

You have not attempted to explain scripture of God speaking of the heart and mind in the same scripture.

I don't have to do that. You do. One is saved by faith and faith alone. One is not saved by emotions. If he is prove it.
Why don't you believe the simple verse:
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
Or the Eunuch's testimony of salvation:
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Anyone who teaches you faith alone and nothing else.

You don't get off the hook that easily. Stop your slander. If you don't 'fess up you will be docked for slander. Here it is again:

So I ask again.
What do I blindly teach?
Who is that someone else that has blindly been taught, and presumably passed that knowledge to me. Where are your sources? How do you know this. You better have some good sources as you keep on slandering me and others on this board.

Please give a well-informed answer. I want names and sources.

You said that Paul was never in Rome! LOL!

Don't be ignorant.
You used Romans 1:8 in your defense of the church of Rome being started by the apostles or at least an apostle.

Here are the facts.
Paul wrote his epistle to the Romans in 56 A.D.
He wrote that letter from Corinth.
He then returned to Jerusalem, where he appealed to Caesar.
He went to Caesar as a prisoner. The Jews in Rome had heard nothing of the false accusations against him, but the Romans kept him in his own hired house, guarded by Roman guards for two years. That was in 66 A.D., 10 years after he wrote his epistle.
He soon had his first trial.
He records this in 2 Timothy.
2 Timothy 4:16 At my first defense, no one came to help me, but all left me. May it not be held against them. (WEB)
--He stood alone before the Roman government with no one there to assist him or even encourage him.
--He was let go for a period of time.
--He was then tried a second time, found guilty and martyred (beheaded).
He knew this would happen, and tells Timothy that he was ready.

2 Timothy 4:6 For I am already being offered, and the time of my departure has come.
--This was his last letter written shortly before his martyrdom written in 67 A.D. from Rome.

Romans 1:8, the verse you used, was written more than ten years earlier before any apostle had ever been in Rome. The church had already been established, but not by an apostle.

Do you now understand?

 

[DHK]

Remember, you went against me for saying Jesus came first to the Jews?

There are not different gospels. Jesus came to give the message first to the Jews, then to all men.

Yes, but his message to the Jews was one of repentance. Had they repented he would have offered them the kingdom. But they didn't. Instead the city of Jerusalem was destroyed as prophesied. Judgement came because of their refusal to repent.

 

[DHK]

It is hard to believe that you do not accept the scriptures telling us to repent in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts.
The same gospel is preached in all the New Testament. Acts is even after the time Jesus ascended to heaven, yet you think it is different from Paul in Acts from Paul in the letters to the churches.

The audience is different. That is what you do not get.
Jesus preached a message of repentance to the Jews. If the Jews had repented then judgment would not have come. Remember he wept over the city of Jerusalem. Why? He knew it would be destroyed because the Jews would not repent.

That is very strange.

Since it may help you or others to believe the Truth, here is Peter preaching repentance.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Here repentance is tied to faith.

We also have Paul in Romans teaching repentance.

Romans 10:9-10 we are told to confess.

That is not repentance. You didn't quote the passage. The passage explicitly speaks of faith. Why didn't you quote the passage? It is one of the strongest passages in the Book of Romans that deals with faith!

 

[Moriah]

You don't get off the hook that easily. Stop your slander. If you don't 'fess up you will be docked for slander. Here it is again:
So I ask again.
What do I blindly teach?
Who is that someone else that has blindly been taught, and presumably passed that knowledge to me. Where are your sources? How do you know this. You better have some good sources as you keep on slandering me and others on this board.
Please give a well-informed answer. I want names and sources.

You do not have me on any hook. I am not slandering. Do whatever you are going to do. I already told you that YOU have on your profile that you are a member of the Independent Baptist Church. Anyone can know what the Independent Baptist Church believes and teach. Do YOU want to say that no teacher of the Independent religion ever taught you anything of their doctrines? Even if you state that, I still do not have to believe you; however, unless you say, no one of the Independent Baptist religion ever taught you anything, then you cannot tell me I am saying something that is incorrect.

 

[Moriah]

You used Romans 1:8 in your defense of the church of Rome being started by the apostles or at least an apostle.

You cannot cover up the fact that you said Paul never went to Rome. Paul was in Rome. Paul wrote while he was in prison, his ministry did not stop.

 

[Moriah]

Yes, but his message to the Jews was one of repentance. Had they repented he would have offered them the kingdom. But they didn't. Instead the city of Jerusalem was destroyed as prophesied. Judgement came because of their refusal to repent.

We all have to believe and repent.

I gave you scriptures of that in Acts, Romans, and 2 Peter.

 

[Yeshua1]

Get Jesus’ teachings and obey them. You can buy a Bible and find Jesus’ teachings in the New Testament.



Jesus says to those who overcome. You have only gone against me when I speak of giving up sin.

How do you think you overcome if you do not give up sins?

Here are some scriptures for you to consider carefully.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

1 John 2:13 I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.

1 John 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

1 John 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

Revelation 2:26 To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—

Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Revelation 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.

Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Revelation 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

We have ALREADY overcome, by the blood of the lamb, and by our own testimony...

Where are the good works in there?

 

[Yeshua1]

We all have to believe and repent.

I gave you scriptures of that in Acts, Romans, and 2 Peter.

Do you hold to that is ALL that God requires in order to save us?

before you answer, please remember that God asks us NOT to forsake all sin, stop sinning before we come to him and be saved!

 

[steaver]

We must have faith in Jesus Christ to overcome this world.

Hold firmly till the end.

Hebrews 3:14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

Romans 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

Of course. Only those who hold firm until the end will be found to be truly born again Christians. There are many verses which exhort those who say they are Christians to examine themselves that they should KNOW how Jesus Christ is in them. Once a person personally knows Jesus through rebirth they always know Jesus, and if one knows Jesus is God then there certainly is no denying Him.

 

[DHK]

You do not have me on any hook. I am not slandering. Do whatever you are going to do. I already told you that YOU have on your profile that you are a member of the Independent Baptist Church. Anyone can know what the Independent Baptist Church believes and teach. Do YOU want to say that no teacher of the Independent religion ever taught you anything of their doctrines? Even if you state that, I still do not have to believe you; however, unless you say, no one of the Independent Baptist religion ever taught you anything, then you cannot tell me I am saying something that is incorrect.

And what position do I hold?
Perhaps I have been a teacher in that church for as long as I have been there. Then your accusation is still false. When will you stop slandering people and pretending to be a god who knows all things. Those who claim to know all things claim to be God. That is blasphemy!

 

[DHK]

You cannot cover up the fact that you said Paul never went to Rome. Paul was in Rome. Paul wrote while he was in prison, his ministry did not stop.

How long will you keep denying what you posted. As long as you keep posting this every post is a lie.

You used Romans 1:8 to prove that an apostle started the church in Rome.
I countered saying that no apostle had been to Rome at that time.
No apostle started the church at Rome.

You in your denial, still maintain that Paul went there. He did, but 10 years after he wrote the letter, and only to be martyred. That has nothing to do with the origin of the church. You are posting a lie.

 

[Moriah]

Paul had never been to Rome. No apostle had ever been to Rome. You can quote Scripture from the book of Hezekiah if you want, but it won't make a difference. You are still wrong.

You said Paul had never been to Rome.
You were wrong.

 

[Moriah]

We have ALREADY overcome, by the blood of the lamb, and by our own testimony...

Where are the good works in there?

Show just one scripture that says we do not have to obey. If you believe, we do have to obey, say so, and stop attacking me for spurring others on.

 

[Moriah]

Do you hold to that is ALL that God requires in order to save us?

before you answer, please remember that God asks us NOT to forsake all sin, stop sinning before we come to him and be saved!

The Bible tells us whom God chooses to save and reveal Himself. From the scriptures, I see that it is those who fear God, who stops doubting, who gets forceful about it and never gives up, who wants God more than anything in life or anybody, who humble themselves, who confess, who are sorry for their sins and repent of them, someone who calls on Jesus to save them.
If anyone wants scriptures, let me know.

 

[Yeshua1]

Show just one scripture that says we do not have to obey. If you believe, we do have to obey, say so, and stop attacking me for spurring others on.

Obey in order to get saved? No, for that is by faith in jesus alone, by Grace allone...

In order to please God, grow up and mature in my salvation? yes!

Thing is ALL christians would think same way!

 

[DHK]

You said Paul had never been to Rome.
You were wrong.

Stop being deceitful.
Look at the posts and see how shameful your posts have been!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1875975&postcount=69
This where you mount your defense, in giving a list of Scriptures "why every believer does not have to obey the Great Commission, or go and teach everywhere." That in itself is a denial of the Word of God.

In it you quote Psalm 19:4 as if to suggest that God wrote the gospel: the death, burial and resurrection up in the sky among the stars for everyone to read! Did he Moriah? Why did you quote that verse then?

Psalm 19:4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun,

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world.
The command Jesus gave was to his who did preach the gospel.

Now you can read my answer to your post here, and your suggestion that an apostle started that church:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80058&page=8

(Concerning Rom.1:8) This defeats your argument. Not one of the apostles ever came to Rome until Paul was taken there as a prisoner. He writes the letter never having been to Rome. We believe that perhaps Aquilla and Priscilla started the church, but it wasn't started by an apostle. And yet their faith is being reported all over the world. They realized the importance of the Great Commission without any apostle.

You have misrepresented me, lied about me, all throughout these many pages. It is time for you to repent. Paul wrote this letter ten years before he went to Rome. No apostle could have started this church as you alleged. You are just wrong and won't admit it.

 

[Moriah]

Obey in order to get saved? No, for that is by faith in jesus alone, by Grace allone...

In order to please God, grow up and mature in my salvation? yes!

Thing is ALL christians would think same way!

That is not what God says. The Bible says believe and repent.

 

[Moriah]

Stop being deceitful.
Look at the posts and see how shameful your posts have been!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1875975&postcount=69
This where you mount your defense, in giving a list of Scriptures "why every believer does not have to obey the Great Commission, or go and teach everywhere." That in itself is a denial of the Word of God.

In it you quote Psalm 19:4 as if to suggest that God wrote the gospel: the death, burial and resurrection up in the sky among the stars for everyone to read! Did he Moriah? Why did you quote that verse then?


Now you can read my answer to your post here, and your suggestion that an apostle started that church:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80058&page=8

You have misrepresented me, lied about me, all throughout these many pages. It is time for you to repent. Paul wrote this letter ten years before he went to Rome. No apostle could have started this church as you alleged. You are just wrong and won't admit it.

I have not done what you say. You are the one who is denying and making up stuff that I did not do.

Anyone who can see can see that even the links you post prove you wrong. I do not care what you say about me, except that you stop following me around badgering me.

 

[DHK]

That is not what God says. The Bible says believe and repent.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
I don't see anything about repent in that verse.

 

[Moriah]

In it you quote Psalm 19:4 as if to suggest that God wrote the gospel: the death, burial and resurrection up in the sky among the stars for everyone to read! Did he Moriah? Why did you quote that verse then?

Paul quotes Psalm 19:4!

Now you can read my answer to your post here, and your suggestion that an apostle started that church:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80058&page=8

Your links shows nothing that you say it does.
As for Paul testifying in Rome about Jesus, he did! As for Paul going to Rome, he did!


Acts 23:11 The following night the Lord stood near Paul and said, "Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome."

You have misrepresented me, lied about me, all throughout these many pages.

That is not true.