We have to obey Jesus!

[The Biblicist]

On the other thread you were asked about how God saved you and you responded:


I wanted God’s Truth, not other religion’s truth.
I got forceful, I stopped doubting completely, I feared God, I humbled myself and confessed that I was a sinner and hated all my sins. I put God before all things and all people.

I started to do things Jesus said, like forgive others because God will not forgive me unless I forgive others. I got married. I tried to make myself the seed that fell along the good soil. I kept knocking until the door was answered. I would never give up or stop searching no matter what or how long it took.

Tell me, if there is nothing you can do to be the person God saves, then why are there so many who say they believe in God and Jesus and keep sinning as there has been no change? The Bible says they are deceived and liars. - Moriah

To which I merely quoted three scripture references without any comments

Rom. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Lk. 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Mt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


To which you replied as follows:


The scripture you quote is about the Jews who helped in their cleansing before God, when they did ceremonial washings. That scripture you quote is about the Jews who still think they must do something before coming to God, like observance of special days, like offerings.
- Moriah

Please explain how not being "unjust" not being an "adulterer" claiming Christ as "Lord, Lord" and having done "many wonderful things" and "in thy name" belongs to things necessary to become a Jew or the ceremonial laws?????

Still no response to the above post! Still will not answer my questions about your own commentary on those scriptures!

Please do not simply REPEAT YOUR COMMENTARY! These questions have to do with your commentary and so repeating your commentary is simply evading the questions!!

 

[Moriah]

Are you an adulterer and unjust?

The fact is that in your very testimony you deny those very kind of things and I quote:

Tell me, if there is nothing you can do to be the person God saves, then why are there so many who say they believe in God and Jesus and keep sinning as there has been no change? The Bible says they are deceived and liars - Moriah

Is not your claim that you are not that type of person any longer? That is precisely the claim of the Pharisee and both of you give absolutely NO CREDIT to Jesus Christ or claim that you trusted in Him for anything!





Agan, not one word about what Jesus did for you! Not one word about trusting in Christ to save you! Again not one word why you needed Christ to save you! Your testimony is all about YOU and what YOU DID and what YOU DO and is Christless!

Look at your own words! If you can do all that by yourself without Christ, then no wonder you don't claim any need for Christ or for what Christ can do for you!!!

I said I got Jesus’ teachings and trusted them and obeyed them.
I said I admitted I was a sinner, and that I hated sin. That is what Jesus says to do
You however are just like the Pharisees.
You did not repent to prepare Jesus to come into your life, just as the Pharisees.

 

[DHK]

I said I got Jesus’ teachings and trusted them and obeyed them.
I said I admitted I was a sinner, and that I hated sin. That is what Jesus says to do
You however are just like the Pharisees.
You did not repent to prepare Jesus to come into your life, just as the Pharisees.

That is not what Jesus says to do. I have been saying all along that you do not understand what "faith" is.

 

[The Biblicist]

I said I got Jesus’ teachings and trusted them and obeyed them.

Jesus commands us to trust IN HIM not "them"!!! That is in perfect keeping with your testimony. Yeshua asked you:

Originally Posted by Yeshua1
When were you saved by god, what did you do to get saved by god? :31


Now when the Phillipian Jailor asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved they responded:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" - Acts 16

However, was that your response? No! There is no believing on Christ as part of your testimony but it is all about YOU and what YOU DID and what YOU DO:

I wanted God’s Truth, not other religion’s truth.
I got forceful, I stopped doubting completely, I feared God, I humbled myself and confessed that I was a sinner and hated all my sins. I put God before all things and all people.

I started to do things Jesus said, like forgive others because God will not forgive me unless I forgive others. I got married. I tried to make myself the seed that fell along the good soil. I kept knocking until the door was answered. I would never give up or stop searching no matter what or how long it took. - Moriah

I said I admitted I was a sinner, and that I hated sin. That is what Jesus says to do
You however are just like the Pharisees.
You did not repent to prepare Jesus to come into your life, just as the Pharisees.

Christ commanded people to "come unto ME" not unto "them". Paul and Silas when asked by the Jailor what he could "do" they did not respond "DO these things" but "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED."

There is NO CHRIST in your testimony and where there is NO CHRIST in the testimony of a person there is no salvation.

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus commands us to trust IN HIM not "them"!!! That is in perfect keeping with your testimony. Yeshua asked you:

Originally Posted by Yeshua1
When were you saved by god, what did you do to get saved by god? :31


Now when the Phillipian Jailor asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved they responded:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" - Acts 16

However, was that your response? No! There is no believing on Christ as part of your testimony but it is all about YOU and what YOU DID and what YOU DO:

I wanted God’s Truth, not other religion’s truth.
I got forceful, I stopped doubting completely, I feared God, I humbled myself and confessed that I was a sinner and hated all my sins. I put God before all things and all people.

I started to do things Jesus said, like forgive others because God will not forgive me unless I forgive others. I got married. I tried to make myself the seed that fell along the good soil. I kept knocking until the door was answered. I would never give up or stop searching no matter what or how long it took. - Moriah


Christ commanded people to "come unto ME" not unto "them". Paul and Silas when asked by the Jailor what he could "do" they did not respond "DO these things" but "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED."

There is NO CHRIST in your testimony and where there is NO CHRIST in the testimony of a person there is no salvation.

Let us start again! Did you trust in Christ to save you? If so, what did CHRIST DO to save you and HOW did Christ save you?

I never asked you what YOU DID but I asked you what did you trust Christ TO DO to save you and HOW did Christ save you?

 

[Moriah]

That is not what Jesus says to do. I have been saying all along that you do not understand what "faith" is.

Jesus says to get his teachings and obey them, those are the ones who love him, they are the ones he will give his Spirit, those are the ones he will reveal himself.

It is obvious that you do not recognize Jesus' words!

Go to John 14.

Do you still not see?

 

[DHK]

Jesus says to get his teachings and obey them, those are the ones who love him, they are the ones he will give his Spirit, those are the ones he will reveal himself.

It is obvious that you do not recognize Jesus' words!

Go to John 14.

Do you still not see?

You were answering Biblicist and giving your testimony in how you were saved.
You say go to John 14. John 14 does not tell one how to get saved. Jesus is addressing his disciples. He is telling them that obedience comes after salvation. Those that love him are his disciples. They were gathered around him in the upper room. Now he was encouraging them to carry out his commands--a demonstration of their love for Him. It has nothing to do with salvation. Why take Scripture out of context?

We are presented with a choice in this life whether to receive Christ or reject Christ. It is not a matter of "Jesus revealing himself." It is a matter of you making a decision to receive him or rejecting him. If you trust him by faith and faith alone you shall be saved. That is the only way one can be saved--by faith in his atoning work on the cross. Nothing else can save you. No works can save you. Faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone can save you.

 

[Moriah]

Jesus commands us to trust IN HIM not "them"!!! That is in perfect keeping with your testimony. Yeshua asked you:

Jesus is the Word of God. I trust in what the Word says.

You do not understand that is for sure.

Jesus' words are HIM.

Originally Posted by Yeshua1
When were you saved by god, what did you do to get saved by god? :31


Now when the Phillipian Jailor asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved they responded:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" - Acts 16

However, was that your response? No! There is no believing on Christ as part of your testimony but it is all about YOU and what YOU DID and what YOU DO:

I wanted God’s Truth, not other religion’s truth.

The Bible tells us why God saves those he saves and not others.

Those who God saves want to know him more than they want anything else (Jere 29:13; Deut 4:29; 1 Chr 28:9; John 12:25; Mark 8:35; Luke 14:26).

I got forceful, I stopped doubting completely, I feared God, I humbled myself and confessed that I was a sinner and hated all my sins. I put God before all things and all people.

I started to do things Jesus said, like forgive others because God will not forgive me unless I forgive others. I got married. I tried to make myself the seed that fell along the good soil. I kept knocking until the door was answered. I would never give up or stop searching no matter what or how long it took.

- Moriah

It is my testimony, why else would I not say "I"? LOL

Those saved humbled themselves and admit they are sinners, and they forgive others (2 Chr 7:14; James 4:10; Acts 26:20; Matt 5:7; 6:14, 15). They love God, they believe, obey, confess and repent (John 14:23; Roma 10:10; Acts 2:38; Acts 5:32; 10:44; 11:14; 19:2). They called out to the Lord to save them (Roma 10:13). They hear the truth and want to be reconciled to God so much so that they get forceful about it. They do not give up, give out, or give in. They stop doubting. They submit to God. They resist the devil (Matt 11:12; Luke 8:4-15; 11:7-8; 16:16; John 14:9; 20:27; James 4:7). They trust God and are perfected in his love (Psalm 118:6; Prov 3:5; Jere 17:7; 1 John 4:12; 4:18; Roma 5:5; 8:15; 10:11). They live on every word of God (Matt 4:4; 2 Pet 1:5; 3:18). They overcome this world by faith in Jesus (Gene 32:28; 1 John 5:5; Reve 21:7).

Christ commanded people to "come unto ME" not unto "them".

Again, Jesus is the Word of God. Jesus' teachings are HIM.

You do not understand those things because you do not obey God.

Paul and Silas when asked by the Jailor what he could "do" they did not respond "DO these things" but "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED."

There is NO CHRIST in your testimony and where there is NO CHRIST in the testimony of a person there is no salvation.

I know and understand the Lord. In this I can and do boast.

You do not know and understand the Lord, because you do not do what he says, he has not revealed himself to you. That is what the Lord says, and I believe the Lord.

About the jailer, he and his household had the word of God spoke to them.

Repent and believe!

 

[Moriah]

You were answering Biblicist and giving your testimony in how you were saved.
You say go to John 14. John 14 does not tell one how to get saved. Jesus is addressing his disciples. He is telling them that obedience comes after salvation. Those that love him are his disciples. They were gathered around him in the upper room. Now he was encouraging them to carry out his commands--a demonstration of their love for Him. It has nothing to do with salvation. Why take Scripture out of context?

DHK,
It makes no difference of the people in the room, for Jesus says ANYONE, for no one will receive the Holy Spirit unless they obey Jesus’ teachings. Your argument is that they were already saved---SINCE THEY WERE BELIEVERS, BUT NOW THEY HAD TBEY BEFORE THEY GET THE HOLY SPIRIT, THAT SHOULD SHOW YOU THAT WE MUST BELIEVE AND OBEY.

You just do not see that you have no argument; it is as a blind man.

 

[DHK]

DHK,
It makes no difference of the people in the room, for Jesus says ANYONE, for no one will receive the Holy Spirit unless they obey Jesus’ teachings. Your argument is that they were already saved---SINCE THEY WERE BELIEVERS, BUT NOW THEY HAD TBEY BEFORE THEY GET THE HOLY SPIRIT, THAT SHOULD SHOW YOU THAT WE MUST BELIEVE AND OBEY.

You just do not see that you have no argument; it is as a blind man.

Again, Scripture is taken out of context to prove a heretical point and to make Jesus a liar.
Jesus said for them to "tarry at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit is come."
The Holy Spirit would come on the Day of Pentecost. From that time onward every believer would be indwelt with the Holy Spirit as soon as they were saved.

You make Christ a liar when you deny his promises:
"They have eternal life."
"They shall never perish."
You say if they disobey, that they don't have eternal life and that they will perish. That is a lie from Satan.

You deny Scripture and fail to look at the full context of Scripture when regarding the coming of the Holy Spirit. Did you fail to read these Scriptures:

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus is the Word of God. I trust in what the Word says.

You do not understand that is for sure.

Jesus' words are HIM.

Oh! Do you pray then to "them" and not to "him"? Who delivers you? Do "them" deliver you or is it "him" that delivers you? Who died for you, "them" or "him."

You do not know and understand the Lord, because you do not do what he says, he has not revealed himself to you.

Pardon me "Almighty Godess Moriah" who knows the hearts of all men. Where do we seek your omniscient self to humble ourselves before you and worship you since you claim EQUAL OMNISCIENCE with God as ONLY God knows the hearts of men.

Who are you to pronounce judgement upon the hearts of men?

About the jailer, he and his household had the word of God spoke to them.

They said "Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"! They did not say "Believe his words" or "believe in THEM".

You force scriptures to support your heresies.

 

[Moriah]

Again, Scripture is taken out of context to prove a heretical point and to make Jesus a liar.
Jesus said for them to "tarry at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit is come."
The Holy Spirit would come on the Day of Pentecost. From that time onward every believer would be indwelt with the Holy Spirit as soon as they were saved.

You make Christ a liar when you deny his promises:
"They have eternal life."
"They shall never perish."
You say if they disobey, that they don't have eternal life and that they will perish. That is a lie from Satan.

You deny Scripture and fail to look at the full context of Scripture when regarding the coming of the Holy Spirit. Did you fail to read these Scriptures:

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

You do not speak the truth.
John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

 

[DHK]

You do not speak the truth.
John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

If I do not speak the truth why can't you answer my post.
The truth is, you are taking Scripture out of context that doesn't apply to salvation at all, and you won't admit it.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

You need to eat bread just like Eve needed to eat that fruit right?
You take Scripture out of context.

 

[Moriah]

Oh! Do you pray then to "them" and not to "him"? Who delivers you? Do "them" deliver you or is it "him" that delivers you? Who died for you, "them" or "him."

No one would know who to pray to and how if it were not for the Word.

Pardon me "Almighty Godess Moriah" who knows the hearts of all men. Where do we seek your omniscient self to humble ourselves before you and worship you since you claim EQUAL OMNISCIENCE with God as ONLY God knows the hearts of men.

You show from your fruits that you do not know him. Why do you think it is okay for you to say I do not know him, but it is not okay for me to say it back to you? God is showing that you are a hypocrite too on top of it all.

Who are you to pronounce judgement upon the hearts of men?

Tell us, Biblicist; how you think you can do that to me?

They said "Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"! They did not say "Believe his words" or "believe in THEM".

Huh? They spoke the Word of God to the jailor and his household. I see that you do not understand.

 

[Moriah]

If I do not speak the truth why can't you answer my post.
The truth is, you are taking Scripture out of context that doesn't apply to salvation at all, and you won't admit it.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

You need to eat bread just like Eve needed to eat that fruit right?
You take Scripture out of context.

It is not so hard to understand, only if you are doing the work of the devil and are blinded.

Believe and repent.

 

[DHK]

It is not so hard to understand, only if you are doing the work of the devil and are blinded.

Believe and repent.

By your testimony you need to trust Christ by faith alone without any works of any sort. Without that one cannot be saved. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. Do you believe that?

 

[Moriah]

By your testimony you need to trust Christ by faith alone without any works of any sort. Without that one cannot be saved. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. Do you believe that?

The Pharisees and all the Jews, they had the works of the law to make them clean before God.
THEY had part in their righteousness, when THEY did ceremonial washings, when THEY got an animal to sacrifice, when THEY gave offerings.
They did not rely on Jesus and his righteousness; they did not believe so that His blood can clean them. They would not accept his onetime sacrifice for all.
Jesus chooses those he saves.
Make your heart the kind of heart that God accepts, Acts 5:32.
Repent and prepare the way for Jesus into your heart.
The Pharisees would not repent, nor will you.
You teach others not to repent.
What a sin to teach others not to repent.

 

[DHK]

The Pharisees and all the Jews, they had the works of the law to make them clean before God.
THEY had part in their righteousness, when THEY did ceremonial washings, when THEY got an animal to sacrifice, when THEY gave offerings.
They did not rely on Jesus and his righteousness; they did not believe so that His blood can clean them. They would not accept his onetime sacrifice for all.
Jesus chooses those he saves.
Make your heart the kind of heart that God accepts, Acts 5:32.
Repent and prepare the way for Jesus into your heart.
The Pharisees would not repent, nor will you.
You teach others not to repent.
What a sin to teach others not to repent.

You didn't answer my question.

By your testimony you need to trust Christ by faith alone without any works of any sort. Without that one cannot be saved. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. Do you believe that?

 

[The Biblicist]

No one would know who to pray to and how if it were not for the Word.

Don't you know the difference between REVELATION and WORSHIP?? The Bible provides revelation but is not the object of worship but that is exactly what you are doing as !

You show from your fruits that you do not know him. Why do you think it is okay for you to say I do not know him, but it is not okay for me to say it back to you? God is showing that you are a hypocrite too on top of it all.

Would you agree that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation - Rom. 1:17; 1 Cor. 1:17-18?

Would you agree that the gospel is "how Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures" - 1 Cor. 15:3-4??

Your testimony is void of that gospel! There is nothing about Christ in your testimony. There is no testimony about trusting in Christ or how Christ saved you. Hence, YOU HAVE NO GOSPEL TESTIMONY!

I do have a gospel testimony. I trusted in the Person and in the work provided for me by Jesus Christ - in his death, burial and resurrection and how he died for my sins. My testimony is not about what I DID (as yours) but about what Christ did for me! That is the testimony of every saved man in the Scriptures. The only testimony in the scriptures that is like yours are those in Matthew 7:22-23 and Luke 18:11-12.

Huh? They spoke the Word of God to the jailor and his household. I see that you do not understand.

Paul and Silas first identify the exact word of the Lord they spoke to the Jailor in Acts 16:31 and it was "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved with thy house"!

They never said "trust in the Word" but "believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"

You intentional deceive and twist the Word of God to satisfy your belly!

 

[Moriah]

You didn't answer my question.

By your testimony you need to trust Christ by faith alone without any works of any sort. Without that one cannot be saved. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. Do you believe that?

I did answer your questions.
We can do nothing in that Jesus did it all. That does not mean Jesus chooses people just because they say they believe.
Jesus knows our hearts, and he chooses those he accepts.
We are to confess our sins. We are to prepare the way for Jesus to live in our hearts.
You teach a dirty rag confession. You teach no repentance, just as the Pharisees.