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Why should it be different? The resurrection of Jesus was the "first fruits" of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20, 23). The "first fruits" are the first produce of the annual harvest. They are representative of everything that will come after. If Jesus was raised physically, then His disciples will be as well.

Correct, it did not.

We are given no indication that things have changed from the time of His resurrection. And having a physical body DOES NOT diminish the glory of Jesus, in case that's on your mind.

If Jesus became human (fully God and fully human), why do you think He is not still in that same condition?

You seem to be making a classic theological error that comes from the Gnostic influences in Western thought. Both natural and spiritual identify the ORIGINS of whatever they describe. "Natural" things originate in the natural world God has set into motion. "Spiritual" things -- which can be physical or non-physical -- originate from God.

A physical body has no effect on "perfection." Perfection (completeness) is all about the character and nature of Christ.

Actually, since He is the "first fruit" of the resurrection, and ultimately ALL human beings are created in the image of God, we will be like Him in our completed nature.

And remember, the earth will be redeemed and we shall live upon it -- a physical place -- that is perfectly united with the heavens.

 

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:24,25

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 2 Cor 5:1-3

V 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

The selfsame thing (what) as whom?

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Heb 9:11
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Cor 5:1
Heb 5:5,6 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The order of?

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:9
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. But God raised him from the dead: And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:33,34
And it is yet more abundantly most evident, if according to the similitude of Melchisedek there doth arise another priest, who came not according to the law of a fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He doth testify -- 'Thou art a priest -- to the age, according to the order of Melchisedek;'

Couple of thoughts.

Was Jesus dead, without life, when he died for our sins? How long was the man, Jesus, the Son of the living God, dead, without life?

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Cor 15:50

Did 1 Cor 15:50 apply to Jesus also?

 

But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 1 Cor 15:35
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 44
having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. Acts 2:31

Your thought on those verses relative to;

for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul. Lev 17:11
for as to the life (soul) of all flesh, its blood is the life (soul) in (of) it; and I have said unto the children of Israel, Of the blood of no manner of flesh shall ye eat, for the life (soul) of all flesh is its blood: whoever eateth it shall be cut off. 14

 

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And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7
Everything with the breath of the spirit of life in its nostrils — everything on dry land died. Gen 7:22 CSB

and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. into the hands of the Father ----- Is this when the blood of Christ was shed for us?

I guess I am asking if before the death and resurrection of Jesus was the soul, living being of his flesh body, in the blood of him?
Was that because the breath of spirit of lives from God was in his blood and when he dismissed his spirit to the Father he shed his blood, died?

After the resurrection of flesh and bones did he have blood or had he become a life giving spirit. Compare to John 5:21,22,26,27

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

 

Is not? Where do you get that? 1 John 3:2, Philippines 3:20-21, ". . .we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, . . ."

 

Did the soul, born of the virgin Mary , who had half brothers and sister of the flesh and was named Jesus, die and descend to Hades and his flesh body, subject to corruption, was laid in a borrowed tomb? Was thar soul, named Jesus dead three days in Hades?

Was the soul, named Jesus, resurrected out of Hades (the realm of the dead) in an incorruptible body of flesh and bones, to die no more and no more to return to corruption? Acts 2:31, Rom 6:9, Acts 13:3

Was the soul, Jesus, Subject to 1 Cor 15:50? Did the soul, Jesus, the heir of God of all things Heb 1:2, have to experience a change in bodily nature, in order to inherit the kingdom of God?

\Must we as joint heirs with Christ experience the selfsame thing in order to become inheritors of the kingdom of God?

Is that called glorification? John 7:39, Acts 2:33, 1 Peter 1:21, Phil 3:20,21, Romans 8:17

and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await -- the Lord Jesus Christ -- who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power, even to subject to himself the all things.
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Will that take place, to our body of flesh, whether we be dead in Christ or alive on earth when he comes?

 

Is your point the believer's resurrection will be a bodily one, to have a physical bodily like Christ's resurrected body?

 

I think that is because neither of were not understanding what the other was saying. From your post 14 I now understand what you are saying.

Exactly when do you believe the days of his flesh ceased to be?

Therein is where I think we disagree.
I believe the days of his flesh is relative to Lev 17:11 where the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and was pre death. After the resurrection I believe the soul of the flesh is Spirit.

Our sins were washed away in his blood where life then was. How were, our sins, washed away in the blood of him which was the, life, of him? He was dead.

Jesus was dead, he had poured out his soul/life unto death ='s shed his blood, was without life giving blood.

If he was not raised out of the dead, quickened if you will, where would we be? 1 Cor 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. - They would not be washed away in his blood. Yes or No?

I say, through washing of regeneration, Jesus was regenerated to the Spirit. by his resurrection 1 Peter 3:18 washing away our sins in his blood wherein had been the life/soul of the flesh.

I believe the days of his flesh ended with the death of him.

BTW All I post is MHO, nothing more and nothing less. Just my understand of the Word of God.

 

How is your view different from gnostics? If Jesus only took on humanity temporarily?

I believe you are redefining “resurrection”, which clearly means a physical bodily resumption of life.

And Paul uses the phrase “spiritual body” combining both the spirit and flesh; rightly understood as a glorified body.

peace to you

 

We disagree. Christ is now an immortal man. 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 13:8, Luke 24:39.

 

No. Flesh and bone, no longer alive by means of blood, Luke 24:39. Romans 8:11.

This is after His bodily resurrection to be immortal. Luke 24:39. 1 Corinthians 15:53.

Not as a spirit, but being flesh and bone. No mention of being flesh and blood. 1 Corinthians 15:50.

 

Mankind was created complete with a physical body and a spirit.

It would seem to me that combination sets the precedence. The “resurrection” is obviously referring to a physical body coming back to life.

And the Angel told the disciples Christ would return the same way He ascended. That is, with His permanent glorified body in the clouds.

peace to you