We shall be like Him. This Means...

[canadyjd]

There are two views on this. Dichotomous two part view, where the body with the soul and spirit are really the same immaterial part of man. And trichotomous three part view, where man is body, soul and spirit.

Correct. I favor mankind is “two part” body/spirit as a complete person. The “soul” is used interchangeably, at times with “spirit, and at other times represents the complete person, body/spirit.

peace to you

 

[percho]

Well, again there is a play on the word “breath/spirit” in Genesis. I do believe the phrase “living soul” refers to the human body God had just created and the “spirit” that God had just “breathed” into that body to give it life.

In regard to the passage from Ecc. I don’t believe animals have a “spirit” as mankind does. In that case “breath” means they are alive.

Solomon makes the point all mankind die, just as animals die. All return to dust. He seems unsure about an after life for people or animals in chapter 3, but in chapter 12 affirms the spirits of men return to God who gave them.

Sorry, I haven’t had time to look for more examples as of yet. Thanks for the questions.

peace to you

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: (or, the spirit of me) and having said thus, he expired. Luke 23:46

What exactly to you believe Jesus was putting in the hands of the Father? What exactly did that leave Jesus, as? DEAD?

Is that verse above the actual finished obedience of the following verses, he had learned from the sufferings earlier that day?

who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared,
through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
Heb 5:9 YLT

Is this the same obedience? and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, Phil 2:8 YLT - Does the following verse speak of the same obedience?
for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous. Rom 5:19 YLT

I assume that we are made righteous through the obedience of the one? ---- Now consider;
Gal 3:24 YLT so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

? through the obedience of the one, constituted/made righteous VS by faith, declared righteous ?

Or maybe, we are made the righteousness of God through the obedience of faith of Christ, who was made sin and died for our sins, with his spirit life being in the hands of the Father for three days and three nights?

While my thoughts are going crazy I find the following interesting.

Phil 2:8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, [who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Rom 4:25 ] wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that is above every name, Phil 2:9

 

[canadyjd]

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: (or, the spirit of me) and having said thus, he expired. Luke 23:46

What exactly to you believe Jesus was putting in the hands of the Father? What exactly did that leave Jesus, as? DEAD?

Is that verse above the actual finished obedience of the following verses, he had learned from the sufferings earlier that day?

who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared,
through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
Heb 5:9 YLT

Is this the same obedience? and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, Phil 2:8 YLT - Does the following verse speak of the same obedience?
for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous. Rom 5:19 YLT

I assume that we are made righteous through the obedience of the one? ---- Now consider;
Gal 3:24 YLT so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

? through the obedience of the one, constituted/made righteous VS by faith, declared righteous ?

Or maybe, we are made the righteousness of God through the obedience of faith of Christ, who was made sin and died for our sins, with his spirit life being in the hands of the Father for three days and three nights?

While my thoughts are going crazy I find the following interesting.

Phil 2:8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, [who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Rom 4:25 ] wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that is above every name, Phil 2:9

Jesus told the thief on the cross he would be with Him that day in paradise. I believe “paradise” is a reference to heaven. It certainly cannot mean hell.

So, the Spirit of Jesus went into heaven and His dead human body remained on the earth until His resurrection. At that time His Spirit was reunited with His physical body and then His body was glorified/ made immortal incorruptible.

The rest of what you wrote is simply too confusing for me to understand what you are asking, if anything.

peace to you

 

[37818]

Correct. I favor mankind is “two part” body/spirit as a complete person. The “soul” is used interchangeably, at times with “spirit, and at other times represents the complete person, body/spirit.

peace to you

You are correct in that the soul and spirit can be understood to be used interchangeably. See Hebrews 4:12. Personally my view is trichotomous, 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

 

[percho]

You are correct in that the soul and spirit can be understood to be used interchangeably. See Hebrews 4:12. Personally my view is trichotomous, 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

Let's say we have one living soul, and we call that living soul Adam; What makes Adam, a living soul?

Was the body of Adam literally flesh and bone, formed from the dust of the ground? Was it a body of flesh and bone formed by God out of the dust of the ground that God breathed into, the breath of life (Which being from God, I believe to be the breath of the spirit of lives, See Gen 7:21,22), that became the first living soul, named Adam? See also Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Seven hundred years, plus, later this took place to the soul, Adam; for as the body apart from the spirit is dead,

At that moment, exactly what was the soul named Adam?

Was he, the soul that sinneth, it shall die?

At that moment of the seven hundred plus years, did the following taken place? and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'

Had the soul Adam been dead in tress pass and sins for seven hundred plus years?

Did he become a dead soul?

 

[tyndale1946]

Tom... In answer to your question, we can speculate and even use scripture to do so... Some say physical and some say spiritual... I just say immortal... Now what does... We shall be like HIM means?... I guess the right answer is, we will know when we get there... Kind of like same argument that goes on here about the end times, we will know when it gets here... Brother Glen

Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

 

[37818]

. . . and we call that living soul Adam . . . .

Biblically that makes no sense.
Animals were called living a souls before God made Adam, Genesis 1:24, ". . . God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature{souls} after his kind, . . ." Strong's Hebrew number 5315.

So your argumentation is not making sense.