J:
I visited Shamblin's site, and read her statements about the Trinity.
I also visited Hannegraf's site and read his hatchet job of her statements.
You know what? Nothing Hank said (or whoever it was that wrote the article, but you get the gist) cleared anything up. He seemed just as clueless, if not more so, than Shamblin.
Let me ask you, how does this statement, "God is one entity made up of three persons," different from saying, "God exists in three entities?"
There's no difference.
Not really. Not in any mortal mind. In fact, Shamblin was right on target when she called this a "strife over words."
She does not say that Jesus was created. She says that Jesus was "begotten," and that is the testimony of Scripture. She says that straightforward. You should go back and take some remedial reading courses. Because He is begotten, He is deity. C.S. Lewis said exactly the same thing in
Mere Christianity
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>One of the creeds says that Christ is the Son of God "begotten, not created"; and it adds "begotten by his Father before all worlds." Will you please get it quite clear that this has nothing to do with the fact that when Christ was born on earth as a man, that man was the son of a virgin? We are not now thinking about the Virgin Birth. We are thinking about something that happened before Nature was created at all, before time began. "Before all worlds" Christ is begotten, not created.
. . .
A man begets a child, but he only makes a statue. God begets Christ but He only makes men. But by saying that, I have illustrated only one point about God, namely, that what God the Father begets is God, something of the same kind as Himself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is
exactly what Shamblin was saying. Simply because Shamblin may not have some of the higher levels of the understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity, does not mean that at the level she is she is wrong.
As Lewis went on to say:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>If you are using only one dimension, you could draw only a straight line. If you are using two, you could draw a figure: say, a square. And a square is made up of four straight lines. Now a step further. If you have three dimensions, you can then build what we call a solid body, say, a cube--a thing like a dice [sic] or a lump of sugar. And cube is made up os six squares.
Do you see the point? A world of one dimension would be a straight line. In a two-dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body. In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels,
you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways--in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now, where is your hatchet job on Lewis?
It is obvious you know nothing of the Trinity except what you were told. Shamblin is miles ahead of you because she knows of the Trinity that which she has obeyed.
