Well known Calvinist that have died for the faith

I have my views about it. But I'll bite. What do you think?

 

Nor is James able to regarding 'Limited Atonement' specifically and the Doctrines of Grace in general.

In his own words regarding a thread concerning this excact same thing he writes:

emphasis mine
The Thread is here (post is #20):
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=36710&page=7&highlight=early+church+fathers

All born again believers are Pauline in and to the degree we study Pauls writting and us non-Cals most definately agree with Paul who was guided by the Holy Spirit. We might not agree with 'your' (regarding Calvinisms) version of what Paul was saying but we believe Paul was absolutely right in all he stated.

 

Okay, I'll agree with this--it is my view also. Doctrine develops historically as the need arises. However, it still does not help you read Calvinism back into the church fathers when it wasn't there.

You can't just say, "Oh, that guy talked about the elect, therefore he was a Calvinist." That's not doing good history. You have to show that his understanding of the term was the same as Calvin's.

The term "elect" occurs 31 times in the Apostolic Fathers though the term "election" just appears twice--and I quoted those for you. However, the term "elect" in the Apostolic Fathers almost always is a term for "believer." It just wasn't a doctrine for them. In fact, it was not a fully developed doctrine until Augustine (354-430). And even then it is a mistake to read the doctrines of Calvin (1509-1564) back into Augustine. Augustine influenced Calvin (though their doctrine had some differences), but Calvin could not have influenced Augustine. Things similar are not the same. In order to do justice to history, you have to take it as it occurs.

 

My question James is why single out Calvinists who have died for the faith.
Are all believers not worthy to be included in those Calvinists who were martyred for the cause of Christ?

I'm not 'trying' to nit-pic but what is the purpose of seperating these (Calvinists) killed for Christ and not includes those (non-Calvinsits) killed for Christ.
Are we two seperate beleifs serving two different gods, or are we one faith dieing for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

I guess if a person believes we preach a different gospel, then I can see why one would seperate those beloved martyrs of God. For if a person believes we preach another gospel, then we have another christ, and thus another god.

Do you believe we preach another gospel?

 

Here is the whole issue in a nutshell concerning calling Calvinist those who lived before Calvin. No one until Calvin systematized the doctrine, though Augustine came close. Therefore there were no Calvinists before Calvin. Simple. :type:

 

Amen John.
I will say as well that Augustine was pretty close. In fact, a lot of Calvin's heresies are Augustine reborn and placed in protestantism.

 

That may be what the OP said, but your thread title gives away the true intention of the thread.

 

Actually, I mean I read both and saw what you meant by both.