Well known Calvinist that have died for the faith

It is my feeling that rippton had that person in Gill. Gill is most know for the largest writer of all times with his huge works. It is easy to see why. He out wrote Calvin and Matthew Henry. But this was not what he was best known for in his day. Gill was a language master. It was kinda like "his thing". Every thing he read it is said, he would retain and could recall with ease. It has been said that his personal library was greater than Spurgeon in numbers, but half of them was not English.

Where as your quotes came from a person that had used a translation of Greek to English that was translated by a 3rd party..( I still say was lightfoot..maybe maybe not ), Gill had masted the Greek and Latin and also was the foremost Hebrew scholar of his day. He has been called the Doctor John Lightfoot of the Baptists.

Gill is more Calvinistic then I am. I do not agree with all that he says. However, I must say he was maybe the best language master the church has ever been blessed with, and this includes Jerome and Augustine.

 

Hardly.



Just a note to Allan

 

Allan,

I wanted to say something on this statement here..

In a way you are right, and in yet another way I would disagree. Like I can word the doctrines so that both sides agree. I have done that on the BB before and even Sky and Web agreed. But it is the people that read into the words. This is seen each day on the BB. This is what is done in the passages of the Bible for most read them in a mindset.

Yes I agree that both systems can show support from the Bible. But I also know both system can not be right. You can not have unconditional election and conditional election. You can not have grace resistible and irresistible grace. Man cannot be born spiritual dead and alive at the same time. You cannot have God reign with irresistible power, and sovereign power.

No matter where you line up on these issues at some point the two will cross and you will need to go one way or the other. I once was a 3 pointer because all my teachers and preachers were 3 pointers. At the same time I had not study the remaining points on my own. I resisted those points mainly because of the labels given to them. I did not like the word "limited". When I study it, it was clear I did not have the right understanding of the doctrine. Which lead to asking myself, if those that schooled me had not done the same as I.

My point, after I studied it, I was faced with two paths. I could not take both paths. Christ died for each person ever born, or Christ died for those he saved. You cannot have it both ways. No matter what path you take you will reject the other. The sides do not mix.


This statement..

I want to talk about this sometime. I know we have already in the past, But I have new thoughts on this.