Westcott and Hort...

[michelle]

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You have posted no proof, you have posted guilt by assocation, ridiculous conspiracy theories (by the way, Wayne Gretzky wasn't a hockey player, he just pretended to be one to cover up his ballerina abilities), and out-of-context 3rd and 4th hand quotes.

Does the though of something clocking me upside the head please you?

Still waiting for those first-hand quotes where you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". Provide the first-hand quotes. If you cannot, you need to repent and retract your statements.
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You haven't read the proof in order to even be able to make that determination. And by the way, what is your understanding of a wolf in sheeps clothing? Or ministers of righteousness? How is it that one can be deceived or misled? How is it that one can determine the faith of another? By their fruits. By their life. By their associations. Words are cheap, and mean nothing if one compares to their life. W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words. YOu are IGNORING and rather condoning this evidence, based upon trust and faith first in their words. This is unbiblical.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

Michelle said "You haven't read the proof in order"

On page 9 you said "Until you can honour my request, and read what I have provided in it's entirety, I will not further this conversation with you." I guess you lied, huh?

Michelle said "W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words."

False witness, and no proof given.

Michelle said "YOu are IGNORING and rather condoning this evidence"

What evidence? All I see is guilt by association, ridiculous conspiracy theories, and out-of-context 3rd and 4th hand quotes.

Still waiting for those first-hand quotes where you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". Provide the first-hand quotes. If you cannot, you need to repent and retract your statements.

 

[michelle]

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Michelle said "W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words."

False witness, and no proof given.

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Here is your proof to which you CONTINUE TO ignore, reject and condone:

Many christians today I fear, are sadly being drawn into doubt, confusion, disbelief, and lukewarmness because:

Jude 1

3. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The following is something I have understood (shown by the Lord) for some time, but the last few days have tried my best to find some links to show you all the bad fruits of Westcott and Hort, and this is only one part of the whole picture that is leading to the fulfillment of the apostacy and the Mystery Babylon as spoken of in the book of Revelation.

The only thing I ask you all to do, is read these links that I am sharing to the fullest, and with a strong desire to know the truth, at all costs. Please try your best to disregard the labels, and look at this information with the eyes and mind of the Lord Jesus Christ. Please, I humbly request this of you. I will be willing to discuss your thoughts on this, if only you are interested in the truth, rather than fighting some man-made label. I come to you as a christian sister, who loves you all and only desires to love you with the truth and in the truth. This might take some time to read some of these links, but it will be well worth your time and effort, and for the benefit of your understanding what I am presenting. Also remember this:

Ephesians 6

10. Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15. And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16. Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19. And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20. For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Please read in the order given for a better understanding of the information provided.

http://www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm

http://www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/ToC/McTaggart.htm

http://www.fa-ir.org/ai/magna.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/ghostsociety.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/socialists.htm

http://www.pathlights.com/onlinebooks/KJV-HB/KJV-Attack-intensifies.htm

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/sprtrviv.htm

http://58.1911encyclopedia.org/W/WE/WESTCOTT_BROOKE_FOSS.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/REsocialism.htm

http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-owen.htm

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/henry_sidgewick.htm

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/bishop_lightfoot.htm

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/e_w__benson.htm

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/ghostly_guild.htm

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/metaphysical_society.htm

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/balfour/darwin.htm

http://www.tribwatch.com/redshield.htm


http://tinyurl.com/3nca8

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sbe/index.htm
http://gospelpedlar.com/sacredbks.html

http://63.1911encyclopedia.org/C/CA/CAMBRIDGE_PLATONISTS.htm
http://www.ritmanlibrary.nl/c/p/exh/cre/cre_pla_01.html
http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm
http://www.plotinus.com
http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/Hermetic.html

http://www.historicist.com/necromancers/nwo.htm
http://www.historicist.com/necromancers/satansapostles.htm


http://www.nehemiahswall.org/Prophetic_Apostacy.html

http://www.biblebelievers.com/harmon8.html

http://www.temcat.com/wooden_nickles.htm


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

On page 9 you said "Until you can honour my request, and read what I have provided in it's entirety, I will not further this conversation with you." I guess you lied, huh?

And there is no need to repost all that garbage. It's all simply guilt by association, ridiculous conspiracy theories, and out-of-context 3rd and 4th hand quotes. It is not evidence, it is a joke.

Still waiting for those first-hand quotes where you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". Provide the first-hand quotes. If you cannot, you need to repent and retract your statements.

 

[michelle]

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Michelle said "W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words."

False witness, and no proof given.

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Here is your more proof to which you CONTINUE TO ignore, reject and condone:


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He followed with delight the development of natural science studies at Cambridge. He spared no pains to be accurate, or to widen the basis of his thought. Thus he devoted one summer vacation to the careful analysis of Comtes Politique positive. He studied assiduously The Sacred Books of the East, and earnestly contended that no systematic view of Christianity could afford to ignore the philosophy of other religions. The outside world was wont to regard him as a mystic; and the mystical, or sacramental, view of life enters, it is true, very largely into his teaching. He had in this respect many points of similarity with the Cambridge Platonists of the 17th century, and with F. D. Maurice, for whom he had profound regard.
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From this link:

http://58.1911encyclopedia.org/W/WE/WESTCOTT_BROOKE_FOSS.htm


(not a KJVO site - and this same info. is also included in one of the pro Westcott Hort sites)


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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[natters]

Michelle said "Here is your more proof to which you CONTINUE TO ignore, reject and condone:"

I have not ignored, rejected or condoned that. I asked you the first time, and I'll ask you again - So now learning makes men evil? Learning about other religions and belief systems (nothing is said about defending or accepting them!) makes someone untrustworthy? Having a "sacramental view of life" (which all Anglican scholars would have, I expect - including the translators of the KJV) means we should dismiss someone's comments?

On page 9 you said "Until you can honour my request, and read what I have provided in it's entirety, I will not further this conversation with you." I guess you lied, huh?

Still waiting (for 7 pages now!) for those first-hand quotes where you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". Provide the first-hand quotes. If you cannot, you need to repent and retract your statements.

 

[michelle]

You haven't read the proof in order to even be able to make that determination. And by the way, what is your understanding of a wolf in sheeps clothing? Or ministers of righteousness? How is it that one can be deceived or misled? How is it that one can determine the faith of another? By their fruits. By their life. By their associations. Words are cheap, and mean nothing if one compares to their life. W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words. YOu are IGNORING and rather condoning this evidence, based upon trust and faith first in their words. This is unbiblical.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

Michelle said "W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words."

False.

On page 9 you said "Until you can honour my request, and read what I have provided in it's entirety, I will not further this conversation with you." I guess you lied, and continue to lie, huh?

Still waiting (for 7 pages now!) for those first-hand quotes where you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". Provide the first-hand quotes. If you cannot, you need to repent and retract your statements.

 

[michelle]

You haven't read the proof in order to even be able to make that determination. And by the way, what is your understanding of a wolf in sheeps clothing? Or ministers of righteousness? How is it that one can be deceived or misled? How is it that one can determine the faith of another? By their fruits. By their life. By their associations. Words are cheap, and mean nothing if one compares to their life. W/H's life claimed OPPOSITE of faith, and in many cases also their words. YOu are IGNORING and rather condoning this evidence, based upon trust and faith first in their words. This is unbiblical.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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[natters]

On page 9 you said "Until you can honour my request, and read what I have provided in it's entirety, I will not further this conversation with you."

What am supposed to conclude about you?

 

[michelle]

Titus 3

1. Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2. To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful,and hating one another.
4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11. Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
12. When I shall send Artemas unto thee, or Tychicus, be diligent to come unto me to Nicopolis: for I have determined there to winter.
13. Bring Zenas the lawyer and Apollos on their journey diligently, that nothing be wanting unto them.
14. And let ours [B[also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful[/B].
15. All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen.


I now end this conversation with you, as you have no desire for the truth, nor approach it in a biblical manner, concerning this issue.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

All I want is for some actual evidence, not hearsay and guilt by association. you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". All I want is something tangible that backs up those claims. Something I can "hold in my hand" so to speak.

 

[michelle]

No more comments.

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by michelle:
No more comments.

tick tock tick tock

 

[Marcia]

Michelle, that first link you kept mentioning that you posted on page one is nothing but conspiracy junk! You should not attempt to assassinate a man's character based on baseless conspiracy theories (and I am very familiar with such conspiracy theories).

As far as the latest link you posted about Westcott's life, I just read it. What is there that would make us think he is gnostic, New Age, or anti-Christian???

You said we know men by their fruits. Well, look at some of his 'fruits' - books he wrote. Quite a hard working gnostic in disguise he was!

The following is a bibliography of Westcotts more important writings, giving the date of the first editions :Elements of the Gospel Harmony (1851); History of the Canon of First Four Centuries (1853); Characteristics of Gospel Miracles (1859); Introduction to the Study of the Gospels (1860); The Bible in the Church (1864); The Gospel of the Resurrection (1866); Christian Life Manifold and One (1869); Some Points in the Religious Life of the Universities (1873); Paragraph Psalter for the Use of Chotrs (1879); Commentary on Ike Gospel of St John (1881); Commentary on the Epistles of St John (1883); Revelation of the Risen Lord (1882); Revelation of the Father (1884); Some Thoughts from the Ordinal (1884); Christus Consummator (1886); Social Aspects Qf Christianity (1887); The Victory of the Cross: Sermons in Holy Week (1888); Commentary on the Epistle to the Hebrews (1889); From Strength to Strength (1890); Gospel of Life (1892); The Incarnation and Common Life (1893 Some Lessons of the Revised Version of the New Testament (1897 Christian Aspects of Life (1897); Lessons from Work (1901).

I never met a New Ager who worked so hard to disguise his beliefs -- Westcott deserves a medal. And to think that most people would look at this list and miss that he's a gnostic and occutlist! I think the "Revelation of the Risen Lord" was an especially clever way to fool us.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by natters:
All I want is for some actual evidence, not hearsay and guilt by association. you claim they did not believe Jesus was God and where you claim they believe Jesus was only "enlightened with the Christ". All I want is something tangible that backs up those claims. Something I can "hold in my hand" so to speak.

You ignore the facts that Michelle and I provided. All you want is one hand rather than 2 hands. You hold your favorite sources with your one hand and reject others on your other hand.

 

[natters]

Askjo said "You ignore the facts that Michelle and I provided"

Which facts? Can you be specific? I have not seen many facts, only conspiracy theories, out-of-context quotes and slander.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by natters:
Which facts? Can you be specific? I have not seen many facts, only conspiracy theories, out-of-context quotes and slander.

YOU have NOT seen many facts? Baloney!

 

[natters]

Alright, I admit, I have seen baloney.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by natters:
Alright, I admit, I have seen baloney.

The baloney that you have seen is you.