Are any Western nations mentioned in relation End-Time prophecy?
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Western Civilization and End-Times Prophecy
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KenH
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Yes, they will be burned up with the rest of the present heavens and earth and replaced with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness.
2 Peter 3:10-13
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Thanks for your reply.
I should have been more specific with my question.
Are any Western nations involved in the Tribulation events?
Ascetic X
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No.
None of the Western nations are mentioned by name in the Bible.
The only exception might be Tarshish, which many scholars think refers to Spain.
The Old Testament book of Ezekiel 27:12 states that Tarshish traded in silver, iron, tin, and lead. Southern Spain—particularly near the Guadalquivir River—was the wealthiest source of these exact metals in the ancient Mediterranean.
None of the Western nations are mentioned by name in the Bible.
The only exception might be Tarshish, which many scholars think refers to Spain.
The Old Testament book of Ezekiel 27:12 states that Tarshish traded in silver, iron, tin, and lead. Southern Spain—particularly near the Guadalquivir River—was the wealthiest source of these exact metals in the ancient Mediterranean.
I wonder why. Will we destroy ourselves with nuclear weapons?
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We have depleted our heavy-industrial manufacturing capability to the point we cannot maintain our Navy!
We imported steel from China to modify the San Francisco Bay Bridge!
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You might have a look at Isaiah 24-25 and compare with various verses in Revelation. There is, of course, no mention of the USA, Canada or Argentina, but those countries are, no doubt, included under 'world.'
I strongly recommend that you do not base your eschatology upon the newspapers or television. God is still in charge.
What is Christian Eschatology? | GotQuestions.org
Eschatology is the study of what the Bible says is going to happen in the end times.
Do you recommend I stick my head in the sand to remain ignorant of current events? If not, what is the source do you recommend I look to for what is happening?
Is it unreasonable, as a student of Biblical Prophecy, to attempt to relate current events to prophecy?
I agree! Praise be to God.
As a student of history, I am aware that when Napoleon was at the height of his power, people were thinking that he might be the antichrist and trying to fit his name into 666. The Lord Jesus tells us that, "You will hear of wars and rumours of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains" (Matt. 24:6-8, NIV, 1984).
This is what has been going on for the past 2,000 years. There is a time coming when God will have had His fill of human sin and depravity, but I do not know if that will be tonight, or in another 2,000 years or longer. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (v.36). Our job is to be ready whenever He comes. "Now therefore, keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come" (v.42).
God has it all in hand.
Thanks for your reply. However, none of my questions were addressed. That's ok - I can deal with it.
Ascetic X
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Keep watch. Jesus told us to keep watch, so we watch the world events as reported on the news.
According to Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 Gog-Magog Alliance of nations war, Tarshish and the Young Lions, as well as Sheba and Dedan are not part of the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations and are surprised when the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations come against Israel.
Tarshish is at least one of the Western European nations. The Young Lions are likely Western Hemisphere nations, which were all colonized by Western European nations.
Sheba and Dedan are likely wealthy Arabian Peninsula nations that are less into radical conquest Islam and more into modernization.
None of these nations are currently tightly aligned with the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations which likely are Russia, Iran, China, Iraq, North Korea, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Libya, and more.
Considering that the prophecy is for God to thoroughly crush the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations, I would expect that all of the Western Nations shall be healthy going into the Tribulation Period.
Personally, I believe that God crushing the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations likely kicks off the Tribulation Period. The Communists and Muslim conquest nations will be thoroughly neutered, allowing Israel to move forward with building the Third Temple.
The Antichrist will either be a Jew, or impersonate a Jew. I can tell you without a doubt, that the Jews are looking for, and will only accept, what they believe to be a Jewish Messiah.
Tarshish is at least one of the Western European nations. The Young Lions are likely Western Hemisphere nations, which were all colonized by Western European nations.
Sheba and Dedan are likely wealthy Arabian Peninsula nations that are less into radical conquest Islam and more into modernization.
None of these nations are currently tightly aligned with the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations which likely are Russia, Iran, China, Iraq, North Korea, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Libya, and more.
Considering that the prophecy is for God to thoroughly crush the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations, I would expect that all of the Western Nations shall be healthy going into the Tribulation Period.
Personally, I believe that God crushing the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations likely kicks off the Tribulation Period. The Communists and Muslim conquest nations will be thoroughly neutered, allowing Israel to move forward with building the Third Temple.
The Antichrist will either be a Jew, or impersonate a Jew. I can tell you without a doubt, that the Jews are looking for, and will only accept, what they believe to be a Jewish Messiah.
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David Lamb
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Spain and Italy are both mentioned by name in the Bible. For example:
(Rom 15:24 NKJV) whenever I journey to Spain, I shall come to you. For I hope to see you on my journey, and to be helped on my way there by you, if first I may enjoy your company for a while.
(Act 27:1 NKJV) And when it was decided that we should sail to Italy, they delivered Paul and some other prisoners to one named Julius, a centurion of the Augustan Regiment.
Perhaps you meant that none of the Western nations are mentioned by name in the Bible in regard to end times prophecy.
You are perfectly entitled to do that, but it will not help you discover when the return of Christ is.
The main thing IMO is to keep short accounts with God and be constantly prepared for our Lord's coming.
Yes. Just think what the toes could mean? 10 nations man
Armchair Apologist
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I am guessing you would be speaking mainly of the "Western Hemisphere" where the "Americas" are? I would say that from the standpoint of the biblical authors (Old and New Testament), this "New World" did not exist so this is why such are conspicuously absent in biblical prophecy.
From their perspective, their entire "world" was the Mediterranean region (Western Asia, Southern Europe, Northern Africa) with Spain being "uttermost parts of the earth" that Paul expressed interest in traveling and proclaiming the Gospel. They wrote from this perspective so the "futurist" eschatological view is largely centered around a revised Roman Empire in this region.
The question then becomes whether (and how do) these end-time prophecies apply to other nations outside of this region?
From their perspective, their entire "world" was the Mediterranean region (Western Asia, Southern Europe, Northern Africa) with Spain being "uttermost parts of the earth" that Paul expressed interest in traveling and proclaiming the Gospel. They wrote from this perspective so the "futurist" eschatological view is largely centered around a revised Roman Empire in this region.
The question then becomes whether (and how do) these end-time prophecies apply to other nations outside of this region?
Ascetic X
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Then why did Jesus tell us about what would be going on in the world right before His return?
Mark 13
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
I believe what Jesus is telling us here is that all of those things (wars, earthquakes, etc) are commonplace among mankind,
but they will become extreme...a dozen huge volcano's going off at once, massive earthquakes all over the planet to go along
with the world war(s) taking place. That will be the beginning, and beginnings can seem to last a long time.
Sorry! Let me try to do it now.
Yes.
I do not believe that current events are at all a reliable way to discover the time of the return of Christ. The apostle Paul tells us that 'There will be terrible times in the last days.' And pretty much all the way through the past 2,000 years there have been terrible times. The difference today is that you can find out all about what ghastly things are going on in every corner of the world, where in time past, people in Britain would not have had a clue about Ghenghis Khan or Tamberlaine and therefore no have worried about them.
I believe it is unwise. Harold Camping forecast the end of the world more than once, yet here we are today. I don't believe that he was insincere; just unwise.
Amen!
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You may be right, but it's not what the Lord said. Have a read of Luke 17:26-30. I believe that the Return of Christ will be sudden and unexpected. Our part is to be ready, though it may not happen in our lifetimes.