What a Vote for Obama means

[donnA]

I really do not expect obama supporters to even care about human babies.....

But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

Obama supports and approves that babies be stabbed in the head with scissors and their brians be sucked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fCITIyyo4

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online..._love_them_both_18.asp#partial birth abortion


he approves of inducing labor artifically, and delivering a baby, and allowing it to die, outside the mothers body by with holding medical attention, this is more then abortion, it is murder, and Obama likes it that way, murdering a live born child. Wheres the limit when we allow live born infants to be murdered?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA&feature=related


Breaking a babies body apart and sucking it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOAPleF1t0&feature=related
Ripping a living baby apart, piece by piece.
What kind of heartless christian votes for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_y9GP_-DA&feature=related




Is this what people really want to approve and support with an Obama vote?
If so, then they really are hard hearted.

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http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/images/abortedbaby22.jpg

For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).



Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).


This is what the LORD says--He who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you … (Isaiah 44:2).



And now the LORD says--he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5)

God made that baby, yet christians approve of murdering it.

1. Human life is unique in that God created us in His image.
In Genesis 1:26, God distinguished humans from the rest of the animal creation. Only of man did God say, “Let us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” He appointed man to rule over the other creatures on earth. By the way, apparently before the Flood, man was vegetarian, but after the Flood, God ordained the eating of meat (Gen. 9:3-4). The animal rights movement erroneously puts animal life on the same plane as human life. That concept stems from Hinduism, not from the Bible.



2. The Bible forbids us from shedding innocent blood.
The Bible clearly commands, “You shall not murder” (Exod. 20:13). As already mentioned, the Bible does not forbid all killing, such as in capital punishment by the government, national defense, or personal defense. But murder is forbidden. The Bible uses the phrase “innocent blood” about 20 times, and always condemns shedding innocent blood. God chastised the Jews for shedding innocent blood when they sacrificed their children to the idols of Canaan (Ps. 106:38). As John Piper argues, “Surely the blood of the unborn is as innocent as any blood that flows in the world” (Brothers, We are Not Professionals [Broadman & Holman], p;. 222).
3. Pre-natal human life is fully human and thus precious to God.
Consider a few of the many biblical passages:
A. God superintends life in the womb (Ps. 139:13-16).


B. The Bible ordains the penalty of life for life when the life of an unborn child is taken (Exod. 21:22-25).



C. The Bible affirms the distinctiveness of individuals in the womb, thus showing that they are fully human.
We won’t take the time to look up each reference, but consider the following examples:
*Jacob and Esau were distinct individuals in the womb (Gen. 25:23; Rom. 9:11-12).
*Samson’s mother was not to drink wine, because her son was to be a Nazirite, who would abstain from alcohol (Judges 13:3-5).
*Jeremiah and Paul both acknowledged that God formed them in the womb and knew them by name (Jer. 1:5; Gal. 1:15). Isaiah 49:1, 5 affirms the same thing about Messiah.
*John the Baptist recognized Jesus while both were still in the womb (Luke 1:35-36, 39-44)! This is an amazing text! Elizabeth was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. Mary went to visit Elizabeth before John was born. Thus Elizabeth would have been in her last trimester, while Mary was in her first trimester. Yet John recognized Jesus in those early months of Mary’s pregnancy! I think that this is the strongest passage that a baby in the womb in the first trimester is a person created in God’s image. We are not free to take the life of such a child just because it is not convenient to have a baby! We have seen that human life is unique in that God created us in His image. The Bible forbids us from shedding innocent blood. Pre-natal human life is fully human and thus precious to God.


4. To view babies as inconvenient to the point of killing them is to violate Jesus’ view of children

http://www.abortionfacts.com/bible/pastor_cole.asp

Is this really what you want to approve of with your vote?

 

[JustChristian]

I really do not expect obama supporters to even care about human babies.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

Obama supports and approves that babies be stabbed in the head with scissors and their brians be sucked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fCITIyyo4

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online..._love_them_both_18.asp#partial birth abortion


he approves of inducing labor artifically, and delivering a baby, and allowing it to die, outside the mothers body by with holding medical attention, this is more then abortion, it is murder, and Obama likes it that way, murdering a live born child. Wheres the limit when we allow live born infants to be murdered?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA&feature=related


Breaking a babies body apart and sucking it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOAPleF1t0&feature=related
Ripping a living baby apart, piece by piece.
What kind of heartless christian votes for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_y9GP_-DA&feature=related




Is this what people really want to approve and support with an Obama vote?
If so, then they really are hard hearted.

<oversized image linked - LE>
http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/images/abortedbaby22.jpg




God made that baby, yet christians approve of murdering it.





http://www.abortionfacts.com/bible/pastor_cole.asp

Is this really what you want to approve of with your vote?

You've been lied to by the Republican party. I do not support abortion but I understand that the Republican party uses this issue to keep evangelical Christians in their back pocket. They say the right words but actually do almost nothing. In the last 3 Republican administrations (20 years) what exactly have they done? Pass a bill to restrict late term abortions. While that's a start do you think that's enough? republicans brought us Roe vs. Wade and really have done nothing to end it.

Do you support the murder of Iraqui children in Bush's war in Iraq? Why? Don't you believe ihn the sanctity of life?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Will you support the Pakistani children that Obama kills in his ill-conceived plot to invade them ?

 

[saturneptune]

You've been lied to by the Republican party. I do not support abortion but I understand that the Republican party uses this issue to keep evangelical Christians in their back pocket. They say the right words but actually do almost nothing. In the last 3 Republican administrations (20 years) what exactly have they done? Pass a bill to restrict late term abortions. While that's a start do you think that's enough? republicans brought us Roe vs. Wade and really have done nothing to end it.

Do you support the murder of Iraqui children in Bush's war in Iraq? Why? Don't you believe ihn the sanctity of life?

Again, half right. Your statement about the Republicans is correct, but as usual, you give a pass to the Democrats.

 

[donnA]

You've been lied to by the Republican party. I do not support abortion but I understand that the Republican party uses this issue to keep evangelical Christians in their back pocket. They say the right words but actually do almost nothing. In the last 3 Republican administrations (20 years) what exactly have they done? Pass a bill to restrict late term abortions. While that's a start do you think that's enough? republicans brought us Roe vs. Wade and really have done nothing to end it.

Do you support the murder of Iraqui children in Bush's war in Iraq? Why? Don't you believe ihn the sanctity of life?

If you vote for obama you support ripping children apart, or stabbing them in the head with scissors. Nothing to do with the republican party, it has to do with approving obmam's evil with your christian vote.
you posted only 9 minutes after I did, you did not bother with anything I worte or the videos demonstrating what your voting to approve.
Proves my point.
Hard hearted.

 

[donnA]

Anyone who vote for Obama knowing he approved stabbing babies in the head with scissors, or ripping their limbs off their bodies while they are alive and kicking from pain, has lied to themselves about who their god is, the God of the bible does not approves stabbing children or ripping them apart for convience to the mother, it allows no such thing. And all the obama worshippers can do is tr to turn attention away from this evil they approve of.

 

[JustChristian]

How many times did the procedure you show graphically happen in the last 8 years? Abortions peaked in about 1990 and then started to decrease. They decreased faster in the Clinton years than during the Bush administration. Voting Republican buys you NOTHING as far as reducing abortions. This is especially true this yerar because both McCain and Palin describe themselves as Federalists. They don't support changes in the abortion law at the federal level but instead believe that it should be left up to the states.

YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN BEING DUPED BY THE REPUBLICANS.

 

[LadyEagle]

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Ooopss... Closed by accident & reopened! Sorry.

 

[KenH]

A vote for Barack means the end of eight long years of the Republican Reign of Error.

 

[donnA]

A vote for Barack means the end of eight long years of the Republican Reign of Error.

Trying to draw attention away from the real topic here?
by adding,,, what? nothing to the converstion, by not caring about that ripped apart baby. Not caring about him wanting to allow stabbing babies in the head with scissors.

 

[dcorbett]

A vote for Barack means the end of eight long years of the Republican Reign of Error.

Actually, it means the beginning of homosexual marriage being forced on us, the end of "God" in the pledge, on our money, and in our holidays, the acceptance of partial birth abortions, and SOCIALIZED GOVERNMENT.

The forebearer of the Anti-christ....Barack HUSSEIN Obama, alias Barry Sotero, who is currently involved in a very hush-hush lawsuit over his right to be nominated for the highest office in the land.

God forgive these people, they know not what they do.

 

[donnA]

Barack HUSSEIN Obama, alias Barry Sotero

Does he even know which one he is, do we know for sure, I mean is a presidential nominee has an alias, then we need to see proof of which is his real name. The only people I've ever seen with an alias had something to hide.

 

[OldRegular]

You've been lied to by the Republican party. I do not support abortion but I understand that the Republican party uses this issue to keep evangelical Christians in their back pocket. They say the right words but actually do almost nothing. In the last 3 Republican administrations (20 years) what exactly have they done? Pass a bill to restrict late term abortions. While that's a start do you think that's enough? republicans brought us Roe vs. Wade and really have done nothing to end it.

Do you support the murder of Iraqui children in Bush's war in Iraq? Why? Don't you believe ihn the sanctity of life?

The truth will out and the truth is: If you vote democrat you support abortion.

The Supreme Court ruling on Roe v Wade was handed down in 1973. It is true that the majority of the court were appointed by Republican presidents [and approved by democrat Senate]. That does not mean anything. The Republican Party adopted a pro life position in 1980 and has not wavered from it. The democrat Party has adopted a pro murder of unborn children and has not wavered from it.

The democrats controlled the House from 1954 until 1994. There was not one piece of legislation brought to the House floor from 1973 thru 1994. When the Republicans took control of the House in 1995 they introduced and passed legislation to ban Partial Birth Abortion on two occasions only to have it vetoed by that great Southern Baptist misogynist Bill Clinton. After President Bush was elected the Republicans again passed legislation to ban Partial Birth Abortion which Bush signed into law. Also the Republicans passed a law requiring doctors to provide medical care for babies born alive during an abortion procedure. It was this type of legislation that "Christian" Obama opposed in the Illinois Senate.

The Obamites on this forum can whine all they want to about who did what but the fact is a vote for Obama is a vote for the continued slaughter of unborn children, perhaps even those handicapped like Governor Palin's child. May God bless her for proving by example that she is a Christian mother.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The truth will out and the truth is: If you vote democrat you support abortion.

Not really true. Why? Because it does not matter who controls Congress as they can do nothing about abortion. There is probably noting a president of either party can do either. It is up to the courts and the possibility of Roe v. Wade being overturned is very remote. Why? Judicial predicent.

I am not for abortion and because I know what almost all politicans know, that nothing can be done, I look at other issues in deciding who gets my vote. Your statement is over generalized and not truthful in the real world.

 

[donnA]

Why do people not want to admit the fact obama will allow partial birth abortions when they are currently banned?
Why would anyone who says they don't beleive in abortion vote to allow partial birth abortion?
Only one reason, they aren't as anti abortion as they say they are.

 

[Jack Matthews]

I really do not expect obama supporters to even care about human babies.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

Obama supports and approves that babies be stabbed in the head with scissors and their brians be sucked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fCITIyyo4

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online..._love_them_both_18.asp#partial birth abortion


he approves of inducing labor artifically, and delivering a baby, and allowing it to die, outside the mothers body by with holding medical attention, this is more then abortion, it is murder, and Obama likes it that way, murdering a live born child. Wheres the limit when we allow live born infants to be murdered?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA&feature=related


Breaking a babies body apart and sucking it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOAPleF1t0&feature=related
Ripping a living baby apart, piece by piece.
What kind of heartless christian votes for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_y9GP_-DA&feature=related




Is this what people really want to approve and support with an Obama vote?
If so, then they really are hard hearted.

<oversized image linked - LE >
http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/images/abortedbaby22.jpg






God made that baby, yet christians approve of murdering it.





http://www.abortionfacts.com/bible/pastor_cole.asp

Is this really what you want to approve of with your vote?

John McCain has sat around on his hands in the senate for 26 years and has done nothing about it, except cut programs that have been proven to help lower the abortion total. Lip service or claiming to be against abortion is not the same thing as actually having a record of doing something about it. How can you vote for that?

 

[Don]

So who would you recommend? The one who unequivocably supports abortion, or the one who says he'll try to do something about it?

 

[just-want-peace]

Had an aunt once, who died, and left me $1/2 million. The estate was worth $1.5million.

I refused the inheritance since I didn't get at least $1Million.

Not true, but the example is exactly the same logic as those who praise (by inference) the Ds for doing nothing, yet condemn the Rs for not doing enough.

 

[JustChristian]

Again, half right. Your statement about the Republicans is correct, but as usual, you give a pass to the Democrats.

In response to a free pass given to the Republicans. The truth is somewhere in between and that's why Christians should put all of their support behind one party.

 

[donnA]

John McCain has sat around on his hands in the senate for 26 years and has done nothing about it, except cut programs that have been proven to help lower the abortion total. Lip service or claiming to be against abortion is not the same thing as actually having a record of doing something about it. How can you vote for that?

Did mccain say he was going to allow people to stab babies in the head with scissors? If not, that isn't the topic of this thread, if you want a new topic start a new thread.