What are some reasons many get trapped by Dispensationalism?

[Salty]

Dispensationalism as a system seeks to give an answer to what is contained in the bible as each of the other eschatological systems do. ...

Just to clarify - what is your definition of Dispensationalism

 

[Iconoclast]

I think it would be impossible for me to agree with you more. The reformed position requires a bit of a herd mentality at the same time ignoring passages of the Bible that are at odds with the doctrine. It requires faith in what other people say the Scriptures mean rather than a normal meaning of the words.

Hello Thomas,
There is no one reformed position but I think I know what you mean by your previous posts.
Most holding others views were premill by default.That has been widely accepted since the two world wars, based on newspapers and current events.

 

[MB]

I refuted myself as I used to be one myself.

Some times even Christians get led astray.
MB

 

[Iconoclast]

Just to clarify - what is your definition of Dispensationalism

Hello Salty,
I was taught and learned what would be known as the classic 7 dispensations.
I used to listen to sermons from believers chapel in Dallas.S.Lewis Johnson , John Walvoord, j.Dwight Pentecost.Jack Van Impe? Ernest Pickering etc.
Now I am told there are other new improved versions...not up on that as much as I think the whole base which provides answers is flawed.
It took several years to move out of it.
Not looking for;
Rebuilt temple
Anti Christ.
10 nation confederacy with the little horn sneaking in.
Dan 9 :24-27 already fulfilled by Jesus
Rapture at the last day,not just before an anti Christ breaks a covenant... etc

 

[Iconoclast]

Some times even Christians get led astray.
MB

MB,
That is true.
Let me say this....If the premill system was correct...I would be fine with it.
If historic premill....fine
Amill....fine
Postmill...fine.
Mb , my question to you is....can you outline how you came to hold your position?
Without looking them up, could you outline the other 3 positions.

 

[1689Dave]

Dispensationalism as a system seeks to give an answer to what is contained in the bible as each of the other eschatological systems do.

Some Like John MacArthur and John Of Japan can give a biblical reason for their belief.

Others have been exposed to this system and trapped in it. What do I mean by trapped?

They have no real reason or cannot articulate a reasonable scriptural position.

They will argue until they are blue in the face, or tweet out ideas, but cannot actually defend their belief, whatever it is.

Has anyone else noticed this?

What reasons have you seen that keep them trapped in a system they cannot defend?

Let's find possible reasons for this.

I think they need to walk by sight instead of faith. They see 1948 as fulfilled prophecy. Other signs in the Middle East that they superimpose the bible. They cling to these tokens as idols instead of going by what Jesus said about the kingdom. It took years for me to recover from this scheme and led to my rejection by Moody indoctrinated members of my family.

 

[Iconoclast]

I think they need to walk by sight instead of faith. They see 1948 as fulfilled prophecy. Other signs in the Middle East that they superimpose the bible. They cling to these tokens as idols instead of going by what Jesus said about the kingdom. It took years for me to recover from this scheme and led to my rejection by Moody indoctrinated members of my family.

I do not think the people have an evil motive behind them when they learn the system. It does take a long time to try to get the structure of the premillennial dispensational system down. Then to try to unlearn parts of that system would mean either you read a lot and you started to look into the historic views or someone challenged you got right in your face and challenge you that now I don't think that's right and then they offered their versus that's sort of what happened to me both times and you know I I just like to try to get the people to walk through it them self and and give the reasons how they came to the view and the verses they used to support whatever view they hold now.

 

[Guvnuh]

I was taught and learned what would be known as the classic 7 dispensations.
I used to listen to sermons from believers chapel in Dallas.S.Lewis Johnson , John Walvoord, j.Dwight Penteco

Same here. After conversion , My first study Bible was a 1967 edition of the “New Scofield Study Bible”. That was followed by the Scofield Course at Moody Bible Institute.
Eventually I purposefully began to look at the viewpoint of mid, post trib, premil and post mil.

Currently I hold a Historic Premil Post Trib position.

But as Dr. Howard Hendrix said after 50 years of teaching at DTS, “I’m always a student”.

 

[37818]

There is what is translated as "dispensation" in the written word of God. In so far as that being correct there is Biblical dispensationalism.

 

[37818]

Currently I hold a Historic Premil Post Trib position.

I am of that view point or very similar. Pre wrath post trib pre mil.

 

[kyredneck]

the end times zanyness of Dispy

Ah, the sensationalism of Dispensationalism. It's soooo exciting to be living in the last days!

 

[1689Dave]

I do not think the people have an evil motive behind them when they learn the system. It does take a long time to try to get the structure of the premillennial dispensational system down. Then to try to unlearn parts of that system would mean either you read a lot and you started to look into the historic views or someone challenged you got right in your face and challenge you that now I don't think that's right and then they offered their versus that's sort of what happened to me both times and you know I I just like to try to get the people to walk through it them self and and give the reasons how they came to the view and the verses they used to support whatever view they hold now.

I think it is part of the great apostasy along with the Charismatic movement. I was deceived by both as a young believer and it took years to recover. Some of my life is irretrievable because of it. https://twitter.com/hashtag/raptureanxiety?lang=en

 

[Iconoclast]

Here we have JM trying to interact on the topic.

He starts out ok...but then fumbles the ball

 

[Van]

Hello Salty,
I was taught and learned what would be known as the classic 7 dispensations.
I used to listen to sermons from believers chapel in Dallas.S.Lewis Johnson , John Walvoord, j.Dwight Pentecost.Jack Van Impe? Ernest Pickering etc.
Now I am told there are other new improved versions...not up on that as much as I think the whole base which provides answers is flawed.
It took several years to move out of it.
Not looking for;
Rebuilt temple
Anti Christ.
10 nation confederacy with the little horn sneaking in.
Dan 9 :24-27 already fulfilled by Jesus
Rapture at the last day,not just before an anti Christ breaks a covenant... etc

So Iconoclast says he was trapped in false doctrine for years. Sometimes people move from one bogus view to another such as Replacement Theology. The answer is to actually study the bible, rather than listen mostly to other people.

 

[MB]

MB,
That is true.
Let me say this....If the premill system was correct...I would be fine with it.
If historic premill....fine
Amill....fine
Postmill...fine.
Mb , my question to you is....can you outline how you came to hold your position?
Without looking them up, could you outline the other 3 positions.

I believe the reason you see it as incorrect is that you do not consider what all of scripture is saying. You tend to form opinions about it before you've studied all of it.Of course you will say I'm wrong. I've read the post tribers view and they leave out so much information.The rapture doesn't have an actual coming of Christ because he doesn't come all the way to Earth. We meet Him in the air. It would be senseless to come all the way and then go back up in the air just to meet us. Christ sends angles to gather us up together to meet Him in the air. The last trump claim is the actual coming.
MB

 

[Iconoclast]

Same here. After conversion , My first study Bible was a 1967 edition of the “New Scofield Study Bible”. That was followed by the Scofield Course at Moody Bible Institute.
Eventually I purposefully began to look at the viewpoint of mid, post trib, premil and post mil.

Currently I hold a Historic Premil Post Trib position.

But as Dr. Howard Hendrix said after 50 years of teaching at DTS, “I’m always a student”.

Yes I liked Howard Hendrix and still do.
I remember being told by Dallas men,all you need is a Scofield reference bible ,and a Strongs concordance
My view currently could be described as a weak postmill.still much to learn.

 

[Iconoclast]

So Iconoclast says he was trapped in false doctrine for years. Sometimes people move from one bogus view to another such as Replacement Theology. The answer is to actually study the bible, rather than listen mostly to other people.

Well Van, all 4 views share some truths so I would not describe them so much as false, as I would rather show biblically where errors have taken them away from scripture.

I posted a JM video.I will show where he had truth, then where he drifted off.
If time permits I will show where you and others follow his lead, and remain trapped in the system.

 

[Iconoclast]

I believe the reason you see it as incorrect is that you do not consider what all of scripture is saying. You tend to form opinions about it before you've studied all of it.Of course you will say I'm wrong. I've read the post tribers view and they leave out so much information.The rapture doesn't have an actual coming of Christ because he doesn't come all the way to Earth. We meet Him in the air. It would be senseless to come all the way and then go back up in the air just to meet us. Christ sends angles to gather us up together to meet Him in the air. The last trump claim is the actual coming.
MB

Mb, part of why you remain trapped is you do not read carefully.
I never said I was post trib.
I am postmillenial.
I have taught the premill view,know it in more detail then you.
Why do you assume I do not know it?
I have left Ohio on.my way to Wis.
I will get to do that inabout5.5 hours.

 

[Van]

Well Van, all 4 views share some truths so I would not describe them so much as false, as I would rather show biblically where errors have taken them away from scripture.

I posted a JM video.I will show where had had truth, then where he drifted off.
If time permits I will show where you and others follow his lead, and remain trapped in the system.

Right, like you posted my response to off topic personal attacks, but did not post the personal attacks.
You failed to explain even "traditional dispensationalism" but did post the CT talking points. Me thinks thou protest too much...

Iconoclast says he was trapped in false doctrine for years. Sometimes people move from one bogus view to another such as Replacement Theology. The answer is to actually study the bible, rather than listen mostly to other people.

 

[kyredneck]

Many dispensational persons are taught the system in a shallow fashion.

Lol, I dare say MOST Dispies have no desire to explore deep into any system that doesn't feed the adrenaline rush. The other systems are
B O R I N G.