Tom Chantry, who grew up in the Carlisle, Pa. church you mention, made a website explaining the brief history of this kind of 'Reformed Baptists':
ChantryNotes • Reflections on Reformed Baptists' History
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What are the distinctives of "Reformed Baptist"?
- Thread starter Wesley Briggman
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ChantryNotes • Reflections on Reformed Baptists' History
Actually, there are Calvinist Baptists who hold to just doctrines of Grace, while those who hold to Covenant theology and Confessions are Reformed Baptists
A Baptist who would hold to the Doctrines of Grace, Covenant theology, and abide by a Confession of Faith, usually 1689 edition
The Gospel itself, as very nearly died while under the Chaining of Rome, as well as the Bible to and for all, and that individuals can understand bible for themselves , can pray to God directly etc
if your worship service allows for more than just hymnals, if your church does not subscribe to any Confession, and if you hold to Calvinism, just doctrines of Grace itself, and if not holding to Covenant theology proper. you are a Calvinist Baptist church, not a reformed one
Martin Luther and other reformers, failed to correct errors of the RCC.
Do you believe otherwise?
I conclude that Reformed Theology in every and all aspects is a bucket of worms. (repeating myself). These and other posts justify my conclusion.
Reformed theology regarding Sotierology is what the Bible affirms
I believe they discovered most all of the primary errors that the RC. Church for sure.
If you are suggesting all the RC. Churches would or should have converted to be Baptists, then no, that did not happen. Is that what you mean?
KenH
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Sovereign Grace Baptists, such as myself, get lumped in with the general term, "Reformed Baptist". Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia page on "Reformed Baptists".
"Sovereign Grace Baptists in the broadest sense are any "Calvinistic" Baptists that accept God's sovereign grace in salvation and predestination. In the narrower sense, certain churches and groups have preferred "Sovereign Grace" in their name, rather than using the terms "Calvinism", "Calvinist", or "Reformed Baptist".
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All of these groups generally agree with the Five Points of Calvinism - Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Groups calling themselves "Sovereign Grace Baptists" have been particularly influenced by the writings of John Gill in the 18th century. Among American Baptists who have revived such Calvinist ideas were Rolfe P. Barnard and Henry T. Mahan, who organized the first Sovereign Grace Bible Conference in Ashland, Kentucky, in 1954, though groups designated as Sovereign Grace are not necessarily connected to them."
- source: Reformed Baptists - Wikipedia
The mention of Henry T. Mahan is particular important to me as the pastor of Grace Baptist Church of Ruston where I attend, Richard Warmack, first heard the gospel of the finished work of Christ from Henry Mahan, and then I heard it from Richard Warmack.
"Sovereign Grace Baptists in the broadest sense are any "Calvinistic" Baptists that accept God's sovereign grace in salvation and predestination. In the narrower sense, certain churches and groups have preferred "Sovereign Grace" in their name, rather than using the terms "Calvinism", "Calvinist", or "Reformed Baptist".
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All of these groups generally agree with the Five Points of Calvinism - Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Groups calling themselves "Sovereign Grace Baptists" have been particularly influenced by the writings of John Gill in the 18th century. Among American Baptists who have revived such Calvinist ideas were Rolfe P. Barnard and Henry T. Mahan, who organized the first Sovereign Grace Bible Conference in Ashland, Kentucky, in 1954, though groups designated as Sovereign Grace are not necessarily connected to them."
- source: Reformed Baptists - Wikipedia
The mention of Henry T. Mahan is particular important to me as the pastor of Grace Baptist Church of Ruston where I attend, Richard Warmack, first heard the gospel of the finished work of Christ from Henry Mahan, and then I heard it from Richard Warmack.
Hello Ken H,
What do Reformed Baptists believe, that you or any other Sovereign Grace Baptists do not?
What is it in the 1689 that you look at it and say, no, I do not believe that!
KenH
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Sorry, but I do not have a personal knowledge base to get into all of the distinctive differences about such. I would be trying to discuss the subject from a standpoint of ignorance rather than a standpoint of knowledge.
For me, when I hear the term "Reformed", I tend to think of those who might be practicing pedo-baptism and/or using the "Moral Law" as a requirement to prove that one has been saved or using it a "rewards system" or using it much in the way that the Pharisees in Jesus' day did.
But that is just my personal perspective at this point.
Okay I understand what you are saying. I think that what is meant by the term Reformed Baptist, is not so much pedobaptism as it is the 5pts, and a right understanding of the law of God in the life of Christians.
Chapter 19. Of the Law of God
1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience written in his heart, and a particular precept of not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; 1 by which he bound him and all his posterity to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; 2 promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it. 31. Genesis 1:27; Ecclesiastes 7:292. Romans 10:53. Galatians 3:10, 12
2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall, 4 and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables, the four first containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man. 5
4. Romans 2:14-155. Deuteronomy 10:4
3. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; 6 and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties, 7 all which ceremonial laws being appointed only to the time of reformation, are, by Jesus Christ the true Messiah and only law-giver, who was furnished with power from the Father for that end abrogated and taken away. 8
6. Hebrews 10:1; Colossians 2:177. 1 Corinthians 5:78. Colossians 2:14,16-17; Ephesians 2:14,16
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4. To them also he gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any now by virtue of that institution; their general equity only being of moral use. 9
9. 1 Corinthians 9:8-10
5. The moral law does for ever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof, 10 and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it; 11 neither does Christ in the Gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation. 12
10. Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8, 10-1211. James 2:10, 1112. Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:31
6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, 13 yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts, and lives, so as examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against, sin; 14 together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ and the perfection of his obedience; it is likewise of use to the regenerate to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse and unallayed rigour thereof. The promises of it likewise show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, though not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works; so as man's doing good and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law and not under grace. 15
13. Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16; Romans 8:1, 10:414. Romans 3:20, 7:7, etc.15. Romans 6:12-14; 1 Peter 3:8-13
7. Neither are the aforementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it, 16 the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done. 17
16. Galatians 3:2117. Ezekiel 36:27
4. To them also he gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any now by virtue of that institution; their general equity only being of moral use. 9
9. 1 Corinthians 9:8-10
5. The moral law does for ever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof, 10 and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it; 11 neither does Christ in the Gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation. 12
10. Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8, 10-1211. James 2:10, 1112. Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:31
6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, 13 yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts, and lives, so as examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against, sin; 14 together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ and the perfection of his obedience; it is likewise of use to the regenerate to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse and unallayed rigour thereof. The promises of it likewise show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, though not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works; so as man's doing good and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law and not under grace. 15
13. Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16; Romans 8:1, 10:414. Romans 3:20, 7:7, etc.15. Romans 6:12-14; 1 Peter 3:8-13
7. Neither are the aforementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it, 16 the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done. 17
16. Galatians 3:2117. Ezekiel 36:27