What Are Your Thoughts on Apparent Age

[Reformed1689]

It should be obvious that when Adam was "created" or born again Spiritually, by God the Trinity, it was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-2 BOTH Adam and Eve were physically made in the likeness of Jesus (Fire) and only became flesh AFTER they sinned.

There is no support for that in Scripture.

 

[37818]

So you are making an interpretation off of an English translation without looking at the actual Greek? Explains a lot. Look at the BDAG entry for that lemma and you will see that one of the definitions (and how it is used in this verse) is not ages, it is the world as a spatial concept.

No. I cocsidered the Greek, αιωνας, and it refers to more than one eon of time. Or . . . worlds, KJV, . . . universe, CSB, . . . world (fn ages), NASB.

 

[BenWest]

davidtaylorjr said: ↑
Ok, so if Adam was created with the appearance of age, why do you not allow the same for the universe?

Perfect people in Heaven don't have age. We will look like pure energy, and so did Adam and Eve. Here is the appearance of Jesus in the O.T. It's also what A&E looked like before they sinned:

Your false accusation, that I avoided your question, is soundly refuted. I went on to show what Adam looked like BEFORE he sinned. You knew that. Didn't you?

The reason is that Science has confirmed that our Universe began 13.8 billion years ago, in man's time. God told us the; SAME thing, that it was on His 3rd Day, when Jesus changed some of the air, dust and water, which God created BEFORE the first Day Genesis 1:1, and which LORD God or Jesus changed BACK into energy, which cooled and became our present Universe at the end of the 3rd Day. Gen .2:4

Tell me if I confuse you with what Genesis actually says to people who currently live on the last Day.

 

[BenWest]

BenWest said: ↑
It should be obvious that when Adam was "created" or born again Spiritually, by God the Trinity, it was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-2 BOTH Adam and Eve were physically made in the likeness of Jesus (Fire) and only became flesh AFTER they sinned.

There is no support for that in Scripture.

Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God (Elohim-The Trinity) created man, in the likeness of God made He him;

This is NOT the account of when Adam was "formed" by the LORD God/Jesus on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and trees which grew AFTER Adam was made physically. Genesis 2:4-9 This is when Adam was created by the TRINITY, Spiritually. Eve was built from Adam's rib on the present 6th Day, Genesis 2:22 on the Day of Salvation. BOTH A&E were "created by the Trinity" Spiritually and Eternally in Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and in John 14:16, Jesus tells us it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to "create" Spiritually and forever.

Gen 5:2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, (Hebrew-mankind) in the day when they were created.

Many seem to have forgotten what Jesus said, You MUST be born again, born Spiritually, by the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to enter into the kingdom of God. Jhn 3:5 Amen?

 

[Reformed1689]

Your false accusation, that I avoided your question, is soundly refuted. I went on to show what Adam looked like BEFORE he sinned. You knew that. Didn't you?

There is no scriptural support for your viewpoint.

The reason is that Science has confirmed that our Universe began 13.8 billion years ago, in man's time.

Science keeps changing the number.

God told us the; SAME thing, that it was on His 3rd Day, when Jesus changed some of the air, dust and water, which God created BEFORE the first Day Genesis 1:1, and which LORD God or Jesus changed BACK into energy, which cooled and became our present Universe at the end of the 3rd Day. Gen .2:4

The Bible doesn't say that at all.

This is NOT the account of when Adam was "formed" by the LORD God/Jesus on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and trees which grew AFTER Adam was made physically.

Yeah, big problem, Adam was formed on Day 6 (Gen 1:31).

 

[BenWest]

There is no scriptural support for your viewpoint.
Science keeps changing the number.
The Bible doesn't say that at all.

Yeah, big problem, Adam was formed on Day 6 (Gen 1:31).

According to Genesis 2:4-9 which shows that Adam was "formed" from the dust, on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees GREW. Plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12 Adam was formed by LORD God/Jesus. Jesus created Adam, temporarily.

Later, on the present 6th Day, Adam and Eve were "created" by God the Trinity. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 This is their Spiritual Creation, which is an Eternal Creation by agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Remember, that Eve was not formed from Adam's rib until the present 6th Day/Age of the Creation. Genesis 2:22 According to Jesus, the present 6th Day is the Day of Salvation. 2Co 6:2

Jesus created mankind Physically, but in order to enter the kingdom of God, mankind MUST be born again, created by God the Trinity, Spiritually and forever in Christ. That's God's Truth

 

[Reformed1689]

According to Genesis 2:4-9 which shows that Adam was "formed" from the dust, on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees GREW. Plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day.

Yeah we have showed you time after time that you simply don't know how to read a timeline. Genesis 2 is not rehashing the timeline of Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives you the days in which everything happened. Adam was clearly formed/created on day 6, not day 3.

According to Jesus, the present 6th Day is the Day of Salvation. 2Co 6:2

This has nothing to do with a day/age etc as it relates to creation.

Jesus created mankind Physically, but in order to enter the kingdom of God, mankind MUST be born again, created by God the Trinity, Spiritually and forever in Christ. That's God's Truth

None of that has to do with the creation week or the fact that all seven days have already happened.

 

[robycop3]

Of course not since David died BEFORE Jesus was the FIRST to enter Heaven AFTER His crucifixion.

OF COURSE Jesus returned to heaven, which was His home before He temporarily became a man. No Scripture says He took the righteous dead with Him. It says He was going to prepare them a home.

It's the King James Version, the most widely used.

Not any more. That'd be the NIV now. The KJV isn't even in our own language.

Your presume that when God "pours out His Spirit", it means that ALL flesh will be saved? No, since it would be unjust to send unbelievers to Heaven. God's Spirit IS The Spirit of Truth, ANY Truth and. ALL real Truth is God's Truth. God pours out His Spirit today in Truth.

And He always has. But He has a special outpouring coming.

Do you think Christians will go through the Tribulation?

Not the current ones, bu there'll be trib saints.

Really? Chapter and verse, please.

All the verses about the plagues of the trib.

Two of the biggest liars in history, and you believe them? Tell us what Trump will do when he gets desperate. Will he resign so that Pence can pardon Him? Or will he refuse to provide the codes necessary for the defense of our country when Russian Missiles begin to fall? Cowards are the most dangerous kind. You have more faith in them than I do. Amen?

(As if the Dems are any more honest !)

The coming antichrist will arrive on the scene before any atomic war could begin.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Reformed1689]

Thoughts from this thread:

1. Adam was created on day 6, not day 3.
2. He was created on day 6 as both a spiritual being, but also a physical being.
3. He was created fully developed, not as a baby.
4. Since Adam was created with the appearance of age, there is no reason to believe that the rest of the universe was not as well.
5. We do not let science interpret Scripture. Scripture should guide science.

 

[Revmitchell]

Can anyone tell me what the difference in appearance is between and old rock and a new rock is?

 

[BenWest]

Yeah we have showed you time after time that you simply don't know how to read a timeline. Genesis 2 is not rehashing the timeline of Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives you the days in which everything happened. Adam was clearly formed/created on day 6, not day 3.

False, Scripturally. Adam was formed on the SAME Day his Earth was made, the 3rd Day, Genesis 2:4-6 BEFORE plants, herbs, rain and Trees which were made AFTER Adam was formed. Genesis 2:8-9

This has nothing to do with a day/age etc as it relates to creation.

Then you must believe that Jesus, the only God ever formed physically, doesn't know what Day it is?

None of that has to do with the creation week or the fact that all seven days have already happened.

False, since God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit continue to work today in contradiction to this verse:

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Truth must include the FACT thatGod's work continues today since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "create" a New Creature in Christ. Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Your view is soundly refuted, Scripturally. IF you believe otherwise, show us chapter and verse since your Scriptural credibility is mistaken.

It's not a refute of your opinion but instead, it's a refute of the view of ancient Hebrew Theologians, who tried to understand God's Holy Word, thousands of years BEFORE Science. Only the people who live in the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4 Amen?

 

[BenWest]

OF COURSE Jesus returned to heaven, which was His home before He temporarily became a man. No Scripture says He took the righteous dead with Him.

Not so, since Jesus descended into Hell and led a host of captivity, captive, after His Crucifixion. Eph 4:8

Not any more. That'd be the NIV now. The KJV isn't even in our own language.

Doesn't matter since the KJV has been out for 400 years and is still number one.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org › King-James-Bible-Anniversary

And He always has. But He has a special outpouring coming.

I have posted several times that I can show many instances when Genesis has AGREED with many recent discoveries of Science, History, Genetics, and Math. NO evolutionist, Christian, nor atheist has been able to refute a single one of these agreements. On this forum, people seem afraid to even look at these examples but won't tell us WHAT they are afraid of. I'll be happy to post them one at a time IF you wish. It's God's irrefutable Truth in Genesis, which is the Truth in every way.

(As if the Dems are any more honest !)

The coming antichrist will arrive on the scene before any atomic war could begin.

All politicians are Liars and dishonest. You are correct that anti Christ comes BEFORE bombs, since no flesh would be saved if He waits. It could be before the bombs start falling OR it could be BEFORE man's pollution of our Earth insures that everyone would be destroyed unless Jesus returns when He does. There could be other reasons too. I love to watch and see which way it is. Amen?

 

[BenWest]

Thoughts from this thread:

1. Adam was created on day 6, not day 3.

Amen. He and Eve were created in God's Image or born again on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2

2. He was created on day 6 as both a spiritual being, but also a physical being.

False, since man (Hebrew-Adam) was formed from the dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, rain, and Trees. Genesis 2:4-9

3. He was created fully developed, not as a baby.

Amen. Adam was formed in the likeness of Jesus. He later became flesh after he sinned.

4. Since Adam was created with the appearance of age, there is no reason to believe that the rest of the universe was not as well.

Except that Genesis 2:4 identifies and separates the beginning of our Cosmos from the beginning of Adam's Cosmos. This also tells us that Lord God/Jesus made other HeavenS (Plural) also.

5. We do not let science interpret Scripture. Scripture should guide science.

Absolutely not BUT when a unique discovery is announced by Science, in the last days, it AGREES in every way with Genesis. Want to see?

 

[Reformed1689]

False, Scripturally. Adam was formed on the SAME Day his Earth was made, the 3rd Day, Genesis 2:4-6 BEFORE plants, herbs, rain and Trees which were made AFTER Adam was formed. Genesis 2:8-9

Again, nowhere does Scripture say that. The only way you get that is from your ignorance of proper biblical interpretation methods and reading into the passage.

Then you must believe that Jesus, the only God ever formed physically, doesn't know what Day it is?

No, I'm saying that what you quoted had nothing to do with this topic.

False, since God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit continue to work today in contradiction to this verse:

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Only because you read into that to mean more than just the original creation week and that somehow resting must mean a permanent resting from any and all work related or not related.

Your view is soundly refuted, Scripturally. IF you believe otherwise, show us chapter and verse since your Scriptural credibility is mistaken.

This is laughable that you think so.

It's not a refute of your opinion but instead, it's a refute of the view of ancient Hebrew Theologians, who tried to understand God's Holy Word, thousands of years BEFORE Science. Only the people who live in the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4 Amen?

Scripture interprets science, not the other way around.

God's Image or born again

No, they were not born again on Day 6. They were born on day 6.

False, since man (Hebrew-Adam) was formed from the dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, rain, and Trees. Genesis 2:4-9

Not according to the Bible.

He later became flesh after he sinned.

No, he was formed with actual flesh.

Except that Genesis 2:4 identifies and separates the beginning of our Cosmos from the beginning of Adam's Cosmos. This also tells us that Lord God/Jesus made other HeavenS (Plural) also.

Yeah you live in twilight zone.

Absolutely not BUT when a unique discovery is announced by Science, in the last days, it AGREES in every way with Genesis. Want to see?

No, I don't need to see anything. Science can't tell you when Adam was born.

 

[Revmitchell]

Can anyone tell me what the difference in appearance is between and old rock and a new rock is?

No one can answer this question yet?

 

[Reformed1689]

No one can answer this question yet?

There is no difference. And that is precisely the point.

 

[BenWest]

BenWest said: ↑
False, Scripturally. Adam was formed on the SAME Day his Earth was made, the 3rd Day,Genesis 2:4-6 BEFORE plants, herbs, rain and Trees which were made AFTER Adam was formed. Genesis 2:8-9

Again, nowhere does Scripture say that. The only way you get that is from your ignorance of proper biblical interpretation methods and reading into the passage.

False accusation as the following confirms:

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:5

First Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:12. On this 3rd Day before LORD God made the plants, herbs, rain and Trees....

Gen 2:7 ¶ And the LORD God formed man (Hebrew-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Adam was made and given life by LORD God or Jesus in the O.T., on the 3rd Day.

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12 Adam was made physically on the 3rd Day. Amen?

 

[BenWest]

There is no difference. And that is precisely the point.

Correction: You don't know but rock freaks do.

 

[Reformed1689]

First Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10

Correct.

Plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:12. On this 3rd Day before LORD God made the plants, herbs, rain and Trees....

Correct

Adam was made and given life by LORD God or Jesus in the O.T., on the 3rd Day.

No. Chapter 1 tells us this was on the sixth day. Chapter two is not giving a full rehash of chapter one. This is your big error in this interpretation. Chapter two is specifically about the creation of man, it is not giving a timeline. That was given in chapter one.

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12 Adam was made physically on the 3rd Day. Amen?

God did not create trees on this day, he planted a garden with trees he had already created. This was day six.