What Are Your Thoughts on Apparent Age

[BenWest]

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Me? If so, then go ahead. I'm just an old country boy who loves to study Genesis.

 

[Reformed1689]

Genesis 1:14-16, ". . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. . . ." In verse 16 it says two qualifing things. The number of lights God says He made on the 4th day, two. And that the lesser light would rule ". . .the night: the stars also." Which makes them, the night and stars pior to those two lights.

Yeah you need to read that again. It says he put lights in the sky. But TWO GREAT lights he put to govern day and night. It does not say those were the only two made that day.

 

[37818]

Yeah you need to read that again. It says he put lights in the sky. But TWO GREAT lights he put to govern day and night. It does not say those were the only two made that day.

"Let there be," Genesis 1:14. "Let them be," Genesis 1:15. "Made two," Genesis 1:16. Sure God in His infinite power could have made the billions of light years of the real history of all the rest of our universe on that very Earth day too.

 

[BenWest]

Yeah you need to read that again. It says he put lights in the sky. But TWO GREAT lights he put to govern day and night. It does not say those were the only two made that day.

God also tells us that He made the Stars also. Genesis 1:16 This is scientifically important because the first Stars blew apart and provided the matter to make our Sun, Moon, and us, out of the Star dust, which blew apart 9 Billion years earlier.. To give you an insight into the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, He knew this BEFORE He caused the Big Bang and knew what would happen BEFORE He caused it.

God also got the order correct Scientifically according to recent discoveries. Genesis 2:4 tells us the beginning of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day. The Spirit of Truth also got this recently discovered Scientific fact, that it was a long time, in man's time, from the Big Bang until the First Stars appeared on the NEXT DAY, the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16 God's Truth as written in Genesis AGREES in every way with every true discovery of Scripture, Science, History, Genetics and Math. The Holy Spirit would never Author anything else.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com › news › 2018/02 › first-stars-univers...Feb 28, 2018 - An updated time line of the universe shows the first stars being born by about 180 million years after the big bang.

It's proof of God because No man, who lived at that time, had ANY idea of this scientific Fact which was only discovered last year. I have many more of these agreements which prove that Genesis is True and the proof of this Scriptural and Scientific Fact is also proof that we are currently living in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[Reformed1689]

"Let there be," Genesis 1:14. "Let them be," Genesis 1:15. "Made two," Genesis 1:16. Sure God in His infinite power could have made the billions of light years of the real history of all the rest of our universe on that very Earth day too.

According to the passage he must have because he created the stars, all of them, on Day 4.

 

[Reformed1689]

God also tells us that He made the Stars also. Genesis 1:16 This is scientifically important because the first Stars blew apart and provided the matter to make our Sun, Moon, and us, out of the Star dust, which blew apart 9 Billion years earlier.. To give you an insight into the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, He knew this BEFORE He caused the Big Bang and knew what would happen BEFORE He caused it.

God also got the order correct Scientifically according to recent discoveries. Genesis 2:4 tells us the beginning of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day. The Spirit of Truth also got this recently discovered Scientific fact, that it was a long time, in man's time, from the Big Bang until the First Stars appeared on the NEXT DAY, the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16 God's Truth as written in Genesis AGREES in every way with every true discovery of Scripture, Science, History, Genetics and Math. The Holy Spirit would never Author anything else.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com › news › 2018/02 › first-stars-univers...Feb 28, 2018 - An updated time line of the universe shows the first stars being born by about 180 million years after the big bang.

It's proof of God because No man, who lived at that time, had ANY idea of this scientific Fact which was only discovered last year. I have many more of these agreements which prove that Genesis is True and the proof of this Scriptural and Scientific Fact is also proof that we are currently living in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[37818]

According to the passage he must have because he created the stars, all of them, on Day 4.

Not only the stars, galaxies, also their real history of billions of years too. Not merely an appearce of ages (Hebrews 1:2).

 

[Reformed1689]

Not only the stars, galaxies, also their real history of billions of years too. Not merely an appearce of ages (Hebrews 1:2).

Not sure what Hebrews 1:2 has to do with this. Do you think Adam and Eve were babies crawling around?

 

[37818]

Not sure what Hebrews 1:2 has to do with this. Do you think Adam and Eve were babies crawling around?

Where is that in Genesis 2? I missed that reference. Or was that in Genesis 3? I did not see it.

". . . in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; . . ." -- Hebrews 1:2, YLT.

 

[Reformed1689]

Where is that in Genesis 2? I missed that reference. Or was that in Genesis 3? I did not see it.

". . . in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; . . ." -- Hebrews 1:2, YLT.

So you are making an interpretation off of an English translation without looking at the actual Greek? Explains a lot. Look at the BDAG entry for that lemma and you will see that one of the definitions (and how it is used in this verse) is not ages, it is the world as a spatial concept.

 

[BenWest]

According to the passage he must have because he created the stars, all of them, on Day 4.

Amen, and now we know how long each of God's Days or Ages is, in man's time. Astronomers have learned that the beginning of the FIRST Stars was 13.8 billion years ago. That means that EACH Day in God's time is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. God tells us that that event took place on the 4th Day Genesis 1:16 and He also shows that it was on the 5th Day, some 9 Billion years later. in man's time that "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from Water Genesis 1:21 exactly as Science has recently learned.

https://astrobiology.nasa.gov › news › looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-c...Mar 30, 2017 - Around 4 billion years ago there lived a microbe called LUCA — the Last Universal Common Ancestor.

Science and Scripture agree that the FIRST life on planet Earth appeared some 4 Billion years ago, give or take a couple of hundred thousand years, in man's time on the 5th of God's 7 Days of Creation. Genesis 1:21 It's empirical (testable) proof of God since NO man could have known what Science has recently discovered, at the end of the present 6th Day or Age in God's 7 Days/Ages of Creation. That is God's irrefutable Truth in Genesis which AGREES with Astronomy, History, Genetics and Math. Amen?

 

[BenWest]

Before you roll your eyes too much, why don't you show us HOW Genesis can be true unless we close our lying eyes and stick our mind dead heads into the sand? It's typical of those who think they know it all. Amen?

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise...

 

[BenWest]

Do you think Adam and Eve were babies crawling around?

No, since they were made in the likeness of God/Jesus, in perfect bodies, like we will have in Heaven and we will look like Jesus Who is brighter than the noonday Sun. We will mount up our wings as Eagles after we have the ability to fly, at the Rapture. Finally, mankind will regain our likeness as Jesus, instead of being trapped in a body of sinful Flesh, we will be like Him for we will see Him as He is.

 

[Reformed1689]

Amen, and now we know how long each of God's Days or Ages is, in man's time. Astronomers have learned that the beginning of the FIRST Stars was 13.8 billion years ago. That means that EACH Day in God's time is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. God tells us that that event took place on the 4th Day Genesis 1:16 and He also shows that it was on the 5th Day, some 9 Billion years later. in man's time that "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from Water Genesis 1:21 exactly as Science has recently learned.

https://astrobiology.nasa.gov › news › looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-c...Mar 30, 2017 - Around 4 billion years ago there lived a microbe called LUCA — the Last Universal Common Ancestor.

Science and Scripture agree that the FIRST life on planet Earth appeared some 4 Billion years ago, give or take a couple of hundred thousand years, in man's time on the 5th of God's 7 Days of Creation. Genesis 1:21 It's empirical (testable) proof of God since NO man could have known what Science has recently discovered, at the end of the present 6th Day or Age in God's 7 Days/Ages of Creation. That is God's irrefutable Truth in Genesis which AGREES with Astronomy, History, Genetics and Math. Amen?

Again, this is not a requirement of the passage or of creation. Do you believe Adam was created as a fully developed man or as a baby crawling around?

 

[Reformed1689]

No, since they were made in the likeness of God/Jesus, in perfect bodies, like we will have in Heaven and we will look like Jesus Who is brighter than the noonday Sun. We will mount up our wings as Eagles after we have the ability to fly, at the Rapture. Finally, mankind will regain our likeness as Jesus, instead of being trapped in a body of sinful Flesh, we will be like Him for we will see Him as He is.

Ok, so if Adam was created with the appearance of age, why do you not allow the same for the universe?

 

[Reformed1689]

Before you roll your eyes too much, why don't you show us HOW Genesis can be true unless we close our lying eyes and stick our mind dead heads into the sand? It's typical of those who think they know it all. Amen?

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise...

Not sure I understand your question, nor do I appreciate your accusation that I think I know it all. I DO KNOW what Genesis does and does not say.

 

[BenWest]

Again, this is not a requirement of the passage or of creation. Do you believe Adam was created as a fully developed man or as a baby crawling around?

It should be obvious that when Adam was "created" or born again Spiritually, by God the Trinity, it was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-2 BOTH Adam and Eve were physically made in the likeness of Jesus (Fire) and only became flesh AFTER they sinned.

 

[BenWest]

I DO KNOW what Genesis does and does not say.

Wonderful. Can you confirm that God made the first Heaven on the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 and other Heavens were made by LORD God, the next Day? Gen 2:4 Can you tell us HOW many worlds/Heavens/Universes were made,in total Scripturally? or do you think the present Universe is the only one made?

 

[BenWest]

Ok, so if Adam was created with the appearance of age, why do you not allow the same for the universe?

Perfect people in Heaven don't have age. We will look like pure energy, and so did Adam and Eve. Here is the appearance of Jesus in the O.T. It's also what A&E looked like before they sinned:

Eze 1:26 ¶ And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

He's the SAME in the New Testament.

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

Amen?

 

[Reformed1689]

Perfect people in Heaven don't have age. We will look like pure energy, and so did Adam and Eve. Here is the appearance of Jesus in the O.T. It's also what A&E looked like before they sinned:

Eze 1:26 ¶ And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

He's the SAME in the New Testament.

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

Amen?

Yeah you avoided the actual question.