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What can you tell us about Jesus's forever torture chamber?
- Thread starter Mur
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What are you talking about? Final judgment? If that is what you are asking, the saints in heaven sing :
19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Mur
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Are you saying that Jesus doesn't incarcerate souls in a place where they experience horrific suffering nonstop forever and ever?
No, because the bible clearly says Jesus sends unbelievers into second death, which is conscious eternal torment.
Mt.13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mur
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Will Jesus let good Christians like you and me accompany him into Hell to help torture the bad people? Do you agree that Jesus's methods of torture must be infinitely more cruel than Heinrich Himmler's?
You ignored my question on another thread, Mur. Since only a tiny, tiny few people who are what you label 'Bible believing Christians' have a belief in the heresy of universalism (and much different than your doctrine), what will you do to avoid the biblical directive not to forsake the gathering together for the purpose of worship and fellowship?
You seem to have rejected Baptists as believing in false doctrine. What will you do, start yet another denomination?
Just what Christianity needs, another denomination where this time they FIINALLY have established the church of the first century. Please don't ignore this question again. It's essential you not decide to go it alone. The Bible warns against it
It sounds as if you have not considered what are known as the attributes of God.
The God of the bible is infinitely Holy, just, and righteous.
Your comments are like those I have heard from unbelievers, and not from Christians at all.
Are you a Christian by New Birth?
If so, it is not proper art all to speak of God is such a profane way!
Righteous judgment, and punishment would be perfect retributive justice, not "torture".It could be that you have not been instructed in the faith.
Mur
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You're the one that teaches that Jesus tortures people forever in Hell, not me, remember?
If Jesus is making people suffer then perhaps he'll let guys like you help him to inflict more pain and suffering on those bad people. They've got it coming! Right?
This thread should demonstrate the comically absurd doctrine of forever punishment. It's unbiblical, unless you ignore the plethora of scriptures that demonstrate its absurdity.
Mur
Active Member
Forever punishment is not righteous. The doctrine that God is punishing people FOREVER and for absolutely no logical purpose is not only FALSE but beyond insane.
Mur
Active Member
You're the one in a denomination, not me. I am a member of Jesus's church, not yours. You could be too, but you'd rather be known as a Baptist.
I really enjoyed this community when I first arrived. But then I discovered members (like you) who utterly REJECT the word of God and preach demonic doctrines.
Let's put you to the test.
Does God want all people to be saved?
Does God get what God wants?
My Friend,
You need to study as it is clearly taught in scripture. For you to question God's perfection and wisdom, is the conduct of an unbeliever, so you need to study, but I would suggest you need to repent of an such unbelief. You can remain in unbelief, but that is not recommended.
Answer the question, we are told to PHYSICALLY gather together and not forsake fellowship. Where do you go to fellowship in order not to be in disobedience to God's word? Being part of the Body of Christ is not in Question, obedience to God's word is. You say you want to be a biblical Christian but you won't say how you are following his directive to fellowship with Christians of like faith and order. I don't know of any Christians of like faith and order that believe like you. Are you ready to start a new sect/denomination?
Just to clarify: What is your definition/belief of "universalism"
