What Day Did Christ Die?

[37818]

Sun down Tuesday 14th
Midnight Wednesday 14th
Mark 14:12
Sun down Wednesday 15th
Mark 14:17
The Lord's Supper
Midnight it became Thursday
Sun down Thursday 16th
Jesus taken from the cross
Midnight it became Friday
Sun down Friday 7th day Sabbath 17th
Midnight it became Saturday
Sun down Saturday,18th
Midnight it became Sunday
Sunday Morning resurrection

 

[Charlie24]

Sun down Tuesday 14th
Midnight Wednesday 14th
Mark 14:12
Sun down Wednesday 15th
Mark 14:17
The Lord's Supper
Midnight it became Thursday
Sun down Thursday 16th
Jesus taken from the cross
Midnight it became Friday
Sun down Friday 7th day Sabbath 17th
Midnight it became Saturday
Sun down Saturday,18th
Midnight it became Sunday
Sunday Morning resurrection

LOL, I didn't want to get into this, but let's work it out now that you won't let it go.

Mark 14:12

"And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?"

The 14th was the preparation day for the High Day, which was the Passover, the 15th.

This is the first day of Unleavened Bread, the Holy Day of rest.

The Passover was not killed on this day the 15th, it was killed and prepared on the 14th that afternoon, and eaten around sunset (6pm) on the 15th. Which began the first day of Unleavened Bread.

Christ and His disciples ate the Passover early, not on the evening around sunset that began the 15th. They ate the Passover that night of the 14th which was preparation day on the 14th, a day early.

All the Gospels tell us Christ died on preparation day, the day before the High Day, the Passover. He would have normally waited till sunset on the preparation day that began the High Day to eat the Passover, but at this time at sunset on the preparation day He was being placed in the tomb.

So the events that take place are a day earlier than normal.

 

[Charlie24]

LOL, I didn't want to get into this, but let's work it out now that you won't let it go.

Mark 14:12

"And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?"

The 14th was the preparation day for the High Day, which was the Passover, the 15th.

This is the first day of Unleavened Bread, the Holy Day of rest.

The Passover was not killed on this day the 15th, it was killed and prepared on the 14th that afternoon, and eaten around sunset (6pm) on the 15th. Which began the first day of Unleavened Bread.

Christ and His disciples ate the Passover early, not on the evening around sunset that began the 15th. They ate the Passover that night of the 14th which was preparation day on the 14th, a day early.

All the Gospels tell us Christ died on preparation day, the day before the High Day, the Passover. He would have normally waited till sunset on the preparation day that began the High Day to eat the Passover, but at this time at sunset on the preparation day He was being placed in the tomb.

So the events that take place are a day earlier than normal.

Now here's the problem as I see it. No one knows for sure the High Day Sabbeth fell on Friday as tradition says. They simply don't know for sure.

Did it fall on Thur., Fri., or Sat.,? We don't know for sure. If we knew for sure then we could come to a conclusion.

 

[Charlie24]

Now here's the problem as I see it. No one knows for sure the High Day Sabbeth fell on Friday as tradition says. They simply don't know for sure.

Did it fall on Thur., Fri., or Sat.,? We don't know for sure. If we knew for sure then we could come to a conclusion.

Man, after rereading my post I got ahead of myself and didn't finish explaining Mark 14:12.

You are reading "and the first day of unleavened bread" as the act taking place being after sunset when that day actually began.

The days began at sunset and when Mark said that he didn't mean it was actually ON the first day of Unleavened Bread, he was saying it was the same say as the preparation day, as in the 2 days were separated at sunset but in the same day.

Notice he didn't say ON the first day....

Hopefully you can understand the way I've explained it, if not I will try another way.

 

[37818]

@Charlie24

We disagree from the start.
First day of unleavened bread. 14th
First day of the feast of unleavened bread. 15th.
Exodus 12:18.
7 days from Sun down to Sun down.
First day 14th.

 

[Charlie24]

@Charlie24

We disagree from the start.
First day of unleavened bread. 14th
First day of the feast of unleavened bread. 15th.
Exodus 12:18.
7 days from Sun down to Sun down.
First day 14th.

"In the first month, on the 14th day of the month at evening, you shall eat...."

The 14th is the preparation day, the first day of Unleavened Bread is the High day beginning at evening on the 15th.

 

[37818]

"In the first month, on the 14th day of the month at evening, you shall eat...."

The 14th is the preparation day, the first day of Unleavened Bread is the High day beginning at evening on the 15th.

First reference,
Exodus 12:18, In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

 

[Charlie24]

First reference,
Exodus 12:18, In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

Yes, 7 days of unleavened bread beginning on the 15th through the 21st.

On the 14th preparation day the meal is prepared and all leaven is removed from the home.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, 7 days of unleavened bread beginning on the 15th through the 21st.

On the 14th preparation day the meal is prepared and all leaven is removed from the home.

When they ate on the evening of the 14th it was at the point of sunset on the 14th, which is when the 15th began.

So in Exodus 12:18 the Passover meal is actually ate on the 15th after sunset in the evening.

 

[Van]

The same usual suspects always derail any discussion of Christ's death and resurrection, quibbling about which day Jesus died. They give Satan victory after victory.

Rather than relying on scripture, they point to modern counting methodology, and supposed calendar requirements. They run from the evidence from scripture that indicates "3 days and 3 nights" is an idiom indicating the day after tomorrow using inclusive counting. From scripture Christ died late on Friday and arose early on Sunday.

Christ died about the same time the Jews were sacrificing their "Passover Lamb." He arose on Sunday, fulfilling prophecy, according to the mathematics of His day. His resurrection provides all of humanity with a basis for believing His promise of providing salvation from the consequence of sin.

Satan and his helpers do not want us to discuss the gospel proper, so they seek to change the subject and quibble over nothing.

 

[Charlie24]

The same usual suspects always derail any discussion of Christ's death and resurrection, quibbling about which day Jesus died. They give Satan victory after victory.

Rather than relying on scripture, they point to modern counting methodology, and supposed calendar requirements. They run for the evidence from scripture that indicates "3 days and 3 nights" is an idiom indicating the day after tomorrow using inclusive counting. From scripture Christ died late on Friday and arose early on Sunday.

Christ died about the same time the Jews were sacrificing their "Passover Lamb." He arose on Sunday, fulfilling prophecy, according to the mathematics of His day. His resurrection provides all of humanity with a basis for believing His promise of providing salvation from the consequence of sin.

Satan and his helpers do not want us to discuss the gospel proper, so they seek to change the subject and quibble over nothing.

Hey, I didn't want this argument, check my posts!

 

[Van]

Hey, I didn't want this argument, check my posts!

Christ died about the same time the Jews were sacrificing their "Passover Lamb." He arose on Sunday, fulfilling prophecy, according to the mathematics of His day. His resurrection provides all of humanity with a basis for believing His promise of providing salvation from the consequence of sin.

 

[Charlie24]

The same usual suspects always derail any discussion of Christ's death and resurrection, quibbling about which day Jesus died. They give Satan victory after victory.

Rather than relying on scripture, they point to modern counting methodology, and supposed calendar requirements. They run from the evidence from scripture that indicates "3 days and 3 nights" is an idiom indicating the day after tomorrow using inclusive counting. From scripture Christ died late on Friday and arose early on Sunday.

Christ died about the same time the Jews were sacrificing their "Passover Lamb." He arose on Sunday, fulfilling prophecy, according to the mathematics of His day. His resurrection provides all of humanity with a basis for believing His promise of providing salvation from the consequence of sin.

Satan and his helpers do not want us to discuss the gospel proper, so they seek to change the subject and quibble over nothing.

LOL. you pound someone for arguing and then state a Friday crucifixion knowing it will be opposed.

 

[Van]

LOL. you pound someone for arguing and then state a Friday crucifixion knowing it will be opposed.

And you Sir are addressing me, and NOT the fulfillment of prophecy and the importance of the resurrection.

Are you not aware that demonic manufactured this controversy to derail belief in the trustworthiness of the gospels?

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Wednesday ended at the midnight before His Thursday crucifixion.

In the Jewish timing of days from 6m to 6m, I know you know this Wednesday at midnight thing is not what went on.

We know it wasn't Thur., He couldn't have risen after 3 days and Mary Magdalene have found Him Sun. morning.

He would have still been in the tomb.

Right and Thursday was a Sabbath Day. A day of rest and invocation to the Lord.

There was to be NO work done on that Thursday Sabbath Day, which is why they had to get Jesus off the Cross and Buried on Nissan 14, the Passover, on Wednesday before 6:00 pm.

Thursday was an ANNUAL SABBATH. That extra Sabbath is called a "high day".

Jesus the passover died on the 14th between 3pm and 6pm entombed before the 15th the high sabbath. After the high sabbeth passed the women bought and prepared spices for the body [Mard 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.] but rested the weekly sabbath per the commandment [Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.]

Early at dawn the next day they found the tomb empty.

three days and three nights

Now you are getting to the "spices" the ladies had, WHICH IS THE CLINCHER!

Impossible. Because the 14th was per Mark 14:12, . . . the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . . . Before Mark 14:17, And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

Matthew 26:17
"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"

This was Nisan 14, after 6:00 pm, which begins the Jewish Wednesday (although, to us that would be Tuesday evening after 6:00 pm).

There were two types of "Passovers". The Disciples here are talking about when they and Jesus would be observing the Lord's Supper later in the evening on what would now be the beginning hours of the Jews' Wednesday (which would have been our Tuesday in the late evening.

The normal "Passover" took place the next day, which would STILL BE the Jews' day of Wednesday (and ours, too). On that Day, Jesus our Passover was Crucified.

However, the Disciples were still referring to their needing to prepare for the "Passover", by which they were talking about Jesus' Divine Institution of the Lord's Supper, in the late evening, prior to the official observance of the Passover by the Jews Both "Passovers" land on Nisan 14, Wednesday, i.e., Wednesday evening for the Lord's Supper Passover and following next 'day's' Passover, still on that same Wednesday, in the daylight hours, the way the Jews call their days of the week.

"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread,...." There were seven of these days, and this was the first of them, in which the Jews might not eat leavened bread, from the fourteenth, to the twenty first of the month Nisan; in commemoration of their being thrust out of Egypt, in so much haste, that they had not time to leaven the dough, which was in their kneading troughs: wherefore, according to their canons (c), on the night of the fourteenth day; that is, as Bartenora explains it, the night after 6:00 pm and the day following of which is the fourteenth, they search for leaven in all private places and corners, to bring; it out, and burn it, or break it into small pieces, and scatter it in the wind, or throw it into the sea.

"Mark adds, "when they killed the passover", Mark 14:12; and Luke says, "when the passover must be killed", Luke 22:7; which was to be done on the fourteenth day of the month Nisan, after the middle of the day;"

Matthew 26 Gill's Exposition

"And the first day of unleavened bread, (on Nisan 14, on Wednesday in the evening, after 6:00 pm is this first day of unleavened bread when the Disciples are talking with Jesus)

"when they killed the Passover", (that is on the day after when the Jews killed the Passover lamb, which is still their Wednesday)

"his Disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the Passover?" ( this Passover is on the evening of Nisan 14, the same day the Disciples are asking Jesus about this Passover, which is The Lord's Supper, on Wednesday evening (our Tuesday night)" Mark 14:12

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed (this is Wednesday evening, prior to the next day which is also their Wednesday still),

"when the Passover must be killed" = by application: also when our Passover, Jesus must be killed, on Wednesday, during the next day, which is still their Wednesday untill 6:00 pm). Luke 22:7.

It makes no difference which day you believe Christ died there is an apparent problem with it in Scripture.

No, no problem with scripture once it's divided up right.

What part of all of this are you two stuck on?

There were 2 Sabbaths that week and we don't know exactly how they dealt with it.

That is why one passage gives us the word, "Sabbath" in the plural ("Sabbaths"), in the Greek and some versions ( otherwise the singular "Sabbath" can refer to the entire season of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, etc.) Yes, there were two Sabbaths that week and the explanation concerning the women buying spices and then when they rested will take care of that.

• The "Sabbaths" Context: The women had to wait until after the "Sabbaths"—referring to both the high-day Sabbath (First Day of Unleavened Bread) and the weekly seventh-day Sabbath—to purchase and prepare more spices, as noted in some translations of Matthew 28:1.

Reconcile these two Relevant Biblical Passages and you've got it all down:

Mark 16:1:

“When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they could go and anoint Jesus’ body.”

Luke 23:55-24:1:

“The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was placed. Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.”

 

[Charlie24]

In the Jewish timing of days from 6m to 6m, I know you know this Wednesday at midnight thing is not what went on.

Right and Thursday was a Sabbath Day. A day of rest and invocation to the Lord.

There was to be NO work done on that Thursday Sabbath Day, which is why they had to get Jesus off the Cross and Buried on Nissan 14, the Passover, on Wednesday before 6:00 pm.

Thursday was an ANNUAL SABBATH. That extra Sabbath is called a "high day".

Now you are getting to the "spices" the ladies had, WHICH IS THE CLINCHER!


Matthew 26:17
"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"

This was Nisan 14, after 6:00 pm, which begins the Jewish Wednesday (although, to us that would be Tuesday evening after 6:00 pm).

There were two types of "Passovers". The Disciples here are talking about when they and Jesus would be observing the Lord's Supper later in the evening on what would now be the beginning hours of the Jews' Wednesday (which would have been our Tuesday in the late evening.

The normal "Passover" took place the next day, which would STILL BE the Jews' day of Wednesday (and ours, too). On that Day, Jesus our Passover was Crucified.

However, the Disciples were still referring to their needing to prepare for the "Passover", by which they were talking about Jesus' Divine Institution of the Lord's Supper, in the late evening, prior to the official observance of the Passover by the Jews Both "Passovers" land on Nisan 14, Wednesday, i.e., Wednesday evening for the Lord's Supper Passover and following next 'day's' Passover, still on that same Wednesday, in the daylight hours, the way the Jews call their days of the week.

"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread,...." There were seven of these days, and this was the first of them, in which the Jews might not eat leavened bread, from the fourteenth, to the twenty first of the month Nisan; in commemoration of their being thrust out of Egypt, in so much haste, that they had not time to leaven the dough, which was in their kneading troughs: wherefore, according to their canons (c), on the night of the fourteenth day; that is, as Bartenora explains it, the night after 6:00 pm and the day following of which is the fourteenth, they search for leaven in all private places and corners, to bring; it out, and burn it, or break it into small pieces, and scatter it in the wind, or throw it into the sea.

"Mark adds, "when they killed the passover", Mark 14:12; and Luke says, "when the passover must be killed", Luke 22:7; which was to be done on the fourteenth day of the month Nisan, after the middle of the day;"

Matthew 26 Gill's Exposition

"And the first day of unleavened bread, (on Nisan 14, on Wednesday in the evening, after 6:00 pm is this first day of unleavened bread when the Disciples are talking with Jesus)

"when they killed the Passover", (that is on the day after when the Jews killed the Passover lamb, which is still their Wednesday)

"his Disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the Passover?" ( this Passover is on the evening of Nisan 14, the same day the Disciples are asking Jesus about this Passover, which is The Lord's Supper, on Wednesday evening (our Tuesday night)" Mark 14:12

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed (this is Wednesday evening, prior to the next day which is also their Wednesday still),

"when the Passover must be killed" = by application: also when our Passover, Jesus must be killed, on Wednesday, during the next day, which is still their Wednesday untill 6:00 pm). Luke 22:7.


No, no problem with scripture once it's divided up right.

What part of all of this are you two stuck on?


That is why one passage gives us the word, "Sabbath" in the plural ("Sabbaths"), in the Greek and some versions ( otherwise the singular "Sabbath" can refer to the entire season of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, etc.) Yes, there were two Sabbaths that week and the explanation concerning the women buying spices and then when they rested will take care of that.

• The "Sabbaths" Context: The women had to wait until after the "Sabbaths"—referring to both the high-day Sabbath (First Day of Unleavened Bread) and the weekly seventh-day Sabbath—to purchase and prepare more spices, as noted in some translations of Matthew 28:1.

Reconcile these two Relevant Biblical Passages and you've got it all down:

Mark 16:1:

“When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they could go and anoint Jesus’ body.”

Luke 23:55-24:1:

“The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how His body was placed. Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.”

I'm just trying to get out of something I never wanted to get into. I guess I should have never replied to the thread.

It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether we know or don't know the actual date of Christ' death in this life. If He wanted us to know He would have told us.

I was trying the work with 37818 through the actual function of the Passover to clarify it in Scripture.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm just trying to get out of something I never wanted to get into. I guess I should have never replied to the thread.

It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether we know or don't know the actual date of Christ' death in this life. If He wanted us to know He would have told us.

I was trying the work with 37818 through the actual function of the Passover to clarify it in Scripture.

We don't know the exact date of His birth or His death, and we don't need to know now.

What we need to know He has made clear, we can be justified by grace through faith only in Him to be brought back into relationship with the Father.

 

[Charlie24]

And you Sir are addressing me, and NOT the fulfillment of prophecy and the importance of the resurrection.

Are you not aware that demonic manufactured this controversy to derail belief in the trustworthiness of the gospels?

And you sir were pounding us but you don't want to recognize that.

The manufactured demonic force you're speaking of should show us that we misunderstanding the Scripture in some way when it doesn't meet our interpretation. If we don't believe the Word of God is pure then the demonic forces can work.

I trust that force will not be able to work in us as we hold the high standard of the Word of God where it should be.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I was trying the work with 37818 through the actual function of the Passover to clarify it in Scripture.

Sorry, I butted in. I talk with P37818 over this subject every year as it rolls around.

The only question I have is; what scripture(s) isn't allowing you to see a Wednesday Crucifixion?

 

[Charlie24]

Sorry, I butted in. I talk with P37818 over this subject every year as it rolls around.

The only question I have is; what scripture(s) isn't allowing you to see a Wednesday Crucifixion?

We all have our views, you and I can see clearly a Wed. crucifixion but that's not the case with everyone.

I don't know but it seems to me 37818 is not understanding the Passover week as it effects Scripture, but it could be me also.

That's what I thought he and I were working on, plus I have to admit it's frustrating discussing something like this with all the minute details involved.

But you weren't butting in, the threads are open for all to respond. I think I was just a little frustrated at the time. I was into something I really didn't want to be in. But you know that that goes.

So don't mind me, I need to be more careful of what I'm getting into these days. I'm not as steady as I once was.