Before we go anywhere with this discussion, please, I would like to know (without elaboration) what order you would put the three B’s… Belief, Birth, Baptism. A one two three placement is sufficient… then we can compare notes. I will tell you that I’m impressed by your knowledge and diligence in understanding but I don’t know from where it springs from (unless it’s the Holy Ghost) and if so I’m more than happy to accommodate you in dialog… but let’s keep it to a minimum because I have a broken wrist so I can’t type too long w/o pain. ThanksBut, when they say (and this may not be YOUR BELIEF):
I thought, "the preaching of the gospel"
- "Regeneration, New Birth, Being Born Again: These different terms define what happens when God quickens one of his children into eternal life. We believe this is done by the life-giving voice of Jesus Christ and is always effectual and irresistible on the part of the individual. This is done separate and apart from the preaching of the gospel and without any aid of man. (John 3:6-8, John 5:25, John 6:37, Romans 8:30, Ephesians 2:1, 2nd Timothy 1:9)"
WAS THE "(means which He has ordained)"
So, I am without a clue about it.
Thanks anyway.
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Maybe this is it; from their scriptures(?)
John 3:6-8,
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit."
The wind of the Spirit bloweth where it listeth
and someone is born again?
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John 5:25,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:
and they that hear shall live.
The dead shall just hear the voice of the Son of God:
and they that hear shall live?
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John 6:37,
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me?
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Romans 8:30,
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Them God Himself "called"?
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Ephesians 2:1,
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
You hath God quickened on His Own?
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2nd Timothy 1:9,
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
God, Himself, called us with an holy calling?