What do you think of Day Care

[James_Newman]

Are you saying that its not possible for women who work outside the home to be keepers of the home? A lot of women manage both and should be commended for it. There's a lot of men who should appreciated their wives more and help out with the children more...both SAHMs and those working outside the home. Somehow, I think offering a Christian daycare for working moms and an opportunity for SAHMs to have one morning a week for themselves is more beneficial than seeing what the next church building project should be.

I don't know that it is possible, I suppose it depends on what keepers at home means.

 

[bapmom]

You've also stated that your primary concern was single moms who had to work. Excuse me for seeing that as passing judgement against married moms who work.

alright, you're excused.......

 

[mcdirector]

At some point we have to be able to say what we think and read another's differing opinion without taking offense. This dialogue will be fruitless (and perhaps disentigrate), however, if we can't figure out a way to make this happen.

 

[bapmom]

you're right, mcdirector.

so do you all think that if a church has a daycare that it is best off being a ministry to the church members? Or do you think it should be a community outreach effort?

 

[mcdirector]

As I've been reading the thread, I've been thinking along the lines of outreach -- but that's where my church is right now. We have been challenged to find different ways to get into the community and bring the community in to us in order to share Christ.

 

[ccrobinson]

in fact, her husband thiinks its "amazing" that she'd get hired so fast---being she's an Auburn grad

:laugh:

so do you all think that if a church has a daycare that it is best off being a ministry to the church members? Or do you think it should be a community outreach effort?

Practical matters suggest that it would have to do both in order to stay in business, unless the church has a large enough membership that would use the daycare.

 

[RockRambler]

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Practical matters suggest that it would have to do both in order to stay in business, unless the church has a large enough membership that would use the daycare.

It depends on two factors in most states...the church membership size and how much the children-to-staff ration is. At the churches I've known that has started a daycare, the slots fill up so quick that the church member take most of them in a hurry. But even if only 20% go to those outside the church, it is a great outreach.

 

[RockRambler]

alright, you're excused.......

Very mature way of avoiding the question of why you favor single working moms over married working moms.

 

[tinytim]

you're right, mcdirector.

so do you all think that if a church has a daycare that it is best off being a ministry to the church members? Or do you think it should be a community outreach effort?

I think it should be offered to the members first, and if there is enough room and resources, then an outreach for the community.

At my previous church we bounced around the idea of an after school program... we were just down the street from the school....

But this idea never got off the ground.

It would have been an outreach to the community.
Trying to extend our arms around those that would not normally come to church.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

"Latch-Key" ministry is a great Tim... definitely something to support!

 

[bapmom]

Very mature way of avoiding the question of why you favor single working moms over married working moms.

yup, Im avoiding getting into it with you because you just want to be offended apparently. Can't help that.......

 

[bapmom]

I think it should be offered to the members first, and if there is enough room and resources, then an outreach for the community.

At my previous church we bounced around the idea of an after school program... we were just down the street from the school....

But this idea never got off the ground.

It would have been an outreach to the community.
Trying to extend our arms around those that would not normally come to church.

hmmm, I like the idea of an after-school program, too. Our new building will be close to a public middle school.....maybe this would be an option for us, too.

 

[annsni]

We had also talked of doing an after school program - with tutors, snacks and a time for games and such. I think it's an awesome ministry with so many latch-key kids around. I know *I'd* much rather go to someplace that would be fun and friendly than to go to an empty house!! It would also get the kids away from the internet and media - and get them interacting with each other in a real way!

 

[RockRambler]

yup, Im avoiding getting into it with you because you just want to be offended apparently. Can't help that.......

Guess that means you admit to judging working married moms harsher than you do single working moms. Thanks.

 

[James_Newman]

If a woman has the ability to stay home and take care of her family but chooses to work outside the home, is this to be applauded? I firmly believe that in 90% of cases, the family could survive on a single income but would rather not have to give up luxuries or momma may just not want to be in the house all day.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Guess that means you admit to judging working married moms harsher than you do single working moms. Thanks.

I don't think it does. I think it means that you are too emotive to address this subject objectively, so she's taking the high road by not mixing it up with you.

 

[mcdirector]

If a woman has the ability to stay home and take care of her family but chooses to work outside the home, is this to be applauded? I firmly believe that in 90% of cases, the family could survive on a single income but would rather not have to give up luxuries or momma may just not want to be in the house all day.

This is a quandry though. How are we to reach young families in which the wife is working without condemning them? We can't just walk up and say, "You can live on less!" How do we reach them, bring them into the church, let the Holy Spirit do any convicting that needs to be done while we are teaching, nuturing, loving.

This is a fine line we are walking Bro. James.

 

[mcdirector]

I don't think it does. I think it means that you are too emotive to address this subject objectively, so she's taking the high road by not mixing it up with you.

I agree with Rufus here AND I'm going to quote something I said early:

At some point we have to be able to say what we think and read another's differing opinion without taking offense.

RockRambler, IMHO, you are taking offense because someone has a different opinion and stated it. We are coming at this (Day Care) from several angles here. We are not going to reach consensus on what's right. We can discuss what we do with the situation as it is.

 

[James_Newman]

I would say you reach them the same way you reach anyone, with the gospel. The two-income family is a byproduct of an anti-christ agenda to destroy traditional families altogether. Can we condemn the system without condemning people? Sure we can. We can love them and welcome them to join us in taking a stand against what the world is trying to do to their families.

 

[bapmom]

This is a quandry though. How are we to reach young families in which the wife is working without condemning them? We can't just walk up and say, "You can live on less!" How do we reach them, bring them into the church, let the Holy Spirit do any convicting that needs to be done while we are teaching, nuturing, loving.

This is a fine line we are walking Bro. James.

it is a fine line. But I think you hit on it here, too. We don't go up to a lady and say that to her, but a pastor might lovingly preach it from the pulpit. And just like he teaches us from the Bible what God's principles are.......I mean most of us don't walk up to a family and say "Ya know the man ought to be head of the home". But the preacher can say that from the pulpit and the Holy Spirit will convict if anyone listening needs the convicting.

In the mean time, we can offer a place for the kids if such a place is needed.

Also, if a church doesn't have facilities to have a full-on daycare of its own, what about just having a "babysitting bulletin-board" where ladies post their needs, and other ladies offer help?