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What doctrines in a local church would cause you to now leave if adopted?

Jerome

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what makes you think we are not independent
Salty, did you miss this by your SBC Executive Committee President Jeff Iorg?

[bolded for your instruction & correction!]

Baptist Press, September 2024

"Southern Baptists value cooperation. We are autonomous, but not independent. We have agreed to set aside personal preferences for the greater good of the global advance of the gospel."

"we cooperate because our churches are autonomous – not independent. Autonomy means self-determining....All Baptist churches are autonomous, but Southern Baptist churches are not independent. We have agreed to subjugate our personal preferences on ministry practices, mission strategies, financial allocations, and some doctrinal positions to work together"
 
Won’t your wife question some decisions or is she OK with your choice of church.. I only ask cause my dear wife is very critical of Quasi casual churches who have a liberal bent. She won’t even consider denoms like UMC, Eposcipal, Presbyterian (even though she’s raised up Dutch Reformed).
Well, we agree Theologically on essentially all issues. She follows my leadership in these regards. Neither of us are "liberal". When I changed my mind on some issues, I discussed them with her along with my reasoning. She was, for instance, raised Presbyterian. She is now committed to Baptist distinctives. Even if she did not like or agree with my decision she would follow it.
One thing I am grateful for is that I realized early on that shared values are critical in marriage. If she were, for example, theologically committed to Infant Baptism or etc. we simply would not have married.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Salty, did you miss this by your SBC Executive Committee President Jeff Iorg?

[bolded for your instruction & correction!]

Baptist Press, September 2024

"Southern Baptists value cooperation. We are autonomous, but not independent. We have agreed to set aside personal preferences for the greater good of the global advance of the gospel."

"we cooperate because our churches are autonomous – not independent. Autonomy means self-determining....All Baptist churches are autonomous, but Southern Baptist churches are not independent. We have agreed to subjugate our personal preferences on ministry practices, mission strategies, financial allocations, and some doctrinal positions to work together"
Subjugate our personal preferences on ministry practices yada yada as well as some doctrinal practices in order to work together” …WOW, …sounds like capitulation to me! In my life, I’ve seen that same stance by the UMC, the PCUSA, and with all liberal leaning, now apostate churches. it’s just a matter of time! :Frown
 

Salty

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Salty, did you miss this by your SBC Executive Committee President Jeff Iorg?

[bolded for your instruction & correction!]

Baptist Press, September 2024

"Southern Baptists value cooperation. We are autonomous, but not independent. We have agreed to set aside personal preferences for the greater good of the global advance of the gospel."

"we cooperate because our churches are autonomous – not independent. Autonomy means self-determining....All Baptist churches are autonomous, but Southern Baptist churches are not independent. We have agreed to subjugate our personal preferences on ministry practices, mission strategies, financial allocations, and some doctrinal positions to work together"
So we disagree on that! That is his opinion! NOT SBC doctrine!
In fact, I will go a step further and say that the President is wrong. Subjugate" = bring under domination or control, especially by conquest:
Our church is NOT dominated or controlled by the SBC.
The only control the SBC has over a local church is to dis-fellowship them!
 

Ben1445

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So we disagree on that! That is his opinion! NOT SBC doctrine!
In fact, I will go a step further and say that the President is wrong. Subjugate" = bring under domination or control, especially by conquest:
Our church is NOT dominated or controlled by the SBC.
The only control the SBC has over a local church is to dis-fellowship them!
It has been the practice of the SBC to subjugate.
If you have a small church, you should have nothing to worry about. It is pretty clear that they are only interested in the money.
 

Jerome

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More correction for you, Salty:

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

"Churches are autonomous, which means they are self-determining and self-governing. But this does not mean they are independent. Southern Baptist churches have voluntarily agreed to cooperate, which means while they surrender their independence, they retain their autonomy. This is more than semantic gymnastics. It is foundational to our denominational polity"
 

Salty

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More correction for you, Salty:

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

"Churches are autonomous, which means they are self-determining and self-governing. But this does not mean they are independent. Southern Baptist churches have voluntarily agreed to cooperate, which means while they surrender their independence, they retain their autonomy. This is more than semantic gymnastics. It is foundational to our denominational polity"
AGAIN, I DISAGREE!!!
Now, some of you may care for Wiki - but "The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), alternatively the Great Commission Baptists (GCB), is a Christian denomination based in the United States. It is the world's largest Baptist organization, the largest Protestant, and the second-largest Christian body in the United States.[1][2] The SBC is a cooperation of fully autonomous, independent churches with commonly held essential beliefs that pool some resources for missions.[3][4][5]" The notes should explain more.
 
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