What does Genesis One literally say?

Meatros

I was raised IFB. I’m used to hearing a preacher preach as the Lord meant for His word to be preached. No hold bars. My feelings have been hurt numerous of times. My toes stay bruised. But it’s what I need to hear, b/c it’s the absolute truth.

It’s one thing to interpret the scripture, but when one’s interpretation is taking away from the meaning it’s plain WRONG!

I think it is silly to turn to secular man for the correct interpretation, when searching and studying the scriptures will reveal the meaning behind Gods word along with a little common sense.

Sorry for the delay. I have to be somewhat productive today at work.

 

Here's the thing, I was raised with the Lord's word and what it meant as well. If the Lord's word isn't up for interpretation then why do our respective beliefs differ?

I totally agree, which is why I can't believe in a young earth. My God is not a liar and I will not make him into one. I will not take away form the meaning of Genesis by trying to equate it with a specific period in time-that totally negates the point of Genesis.

I agree with you on the face of this issue, but I disagree with how you choose to apply it. I don't know who exactly you are calling a 'secular' man, seeing as I do believe in the supernatural. I suppose that's another way of trying to distract me from telling you the truth about the bible.

 

In talking w/ my mom a few months back. I asked her how old the earth is, she replied billions of years old. I asked; how do you know? She replied I was taught that in school.

I asked then, how long it took God to create the earth? 7 days, she said. 7 literal days I asked. Yes. she replied, b/c that’s what’s written.

We reviewed Genesis and the creation account with Adam being created on day 6 and living to be 930 yrs old and we reviewed the Genealogy up to Noah, who lived to be 950 on up to Abraham. By then my dad had joined the quick review and before we got to Abraham it dawned on her. The earth isn’t billions or even millions of years old. It just doesn’t add up.

Both my parents have read the Bible numerous times and even took bible class, but it never dawned on them that they’ve been lied to when they attended school growing up. A lot of people skip the genealogy part of the Bible. I for one used to. It’s boring, but there is a wealth of information contained therein.

 

You have a problem with the “canopy of water” that some theologians refer to that engulfed the entire earth and was released at the time of the great flood that also covered the entire earth.

You see in Genesis 1:7, God divides the waters which was under and above the firmament, which was called Heaven. In Genesis 7:11 we read, “…windows of heaven were opened.” The NASB refers to these windows as “floodgates.” In addition to this “canopy of water” that was released during the flood and an earthquake is the only answer which would have caused the “great deep” to break up, as well as rain for 40 days and nights. All this is what caused a global flood.

In Genesis 8:2 we read “The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained..” Now why did God refer to “windows of heaven were stopped” and “rain from heaven was restrained?” Looks to me they’re two different events.

In addition no rain is recorded before the flood. This “canopy” some like to call may have provided some sort of protection from the sun’s rays. This could be why Adam lived to be 930 yrs, Seth lived to be 912 yrs and Methuselah lived to be 969 yrs. Adams genetic line and his descendents was pure as well as their health.

Do I take Genesis 1:7 Literal? YES
Do I take Genesis 7:11 Literal? YES SIR
Do I take Genesis 8:2 Literal? YEPPERS
Do I take the age of those in Genesis Literal? You bet cha

 

john6:63 You take it literally even though it's simply not possible?

 

How is it not possible?

 

There is no possible way that the earth is 6k-10k years old (my meteors example).

 

Hey if you can go to bed at night believing that it took our Lord millions of to create, that’s between you and Him.

I’m content going to bed at night knowing that our Lord said He created in 6 literal days and that’s how He meant it to be taken b/c Exodus 20:8-11 tells me so.

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

Praise God!

 

AMEN John 6:63

 

How can you go to bed at night when you've just made your God into a liar? I don't understand that, I truly don't. You don't seem to realize that the implication of a young earth (which is impossible) turns your God into a deceptive God.

If he's deceptive then why should you believe in his promises of salvation??

 

Meatros:

Firmament to me means the expanse of the heavens
or the universe. If I'm looking up at clouds
on a sunny day, I would consider it the vault of
sky above my head. That is how I look at it and
I live in the year 2003.

It is you who calls GOD a liar. You read into
everything the Word says to make the BIBLE
compatable with the opinions of man today.
The Bible was written for everyone--today,
yesterday and tomorrow. Its implications don't
change nor its facts. It is OUR opinions and
philosophies that change to suit OUR egos.
Did Abraham know what GOD was talking about?
How about Moses? How about Ezekiel? What of
Paul and Peter? THEY ALL BELIEVED THAT THE
OLD TESTAMENT WAS PERFECT AND TOTALLY FACTUAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you keep saying that the scientific
community at large is "Christian". Well, most
of the fellas that promoted evolution and no
Flood were ATHEISTS. Darwin was a borderline
"Christian" at best (he went to church because
his daddy did). He died an agnostic. Carl Sagan
was a learned man, but he died an ATHEIST.
Too bad all that knowledge is now stewing in Hell.
I'm sorry for you Meatros and all those like
yourself. You've been indoctrinated in evolutionary thought ---- and it is fact to you.

 

There was nothing, and then God created the formless and void earth; we are also introduced to the waters. Note the first reference is to the heavens and the earth, and then the next reference is to the waters only. Where is the earth? Not specified. The waters, however, are to be identified at this stage with the heavens. There isn't anything else. There is nothing really to distinguish location; there is only the water. Water, of course, is shapeless and adapts itself to whatever shape it's container has. Before there is anything to give it shape, all is undefined.
</font>[/QUOTE]God created the heavens and earth in verse 1. Verse 2, the earth was formless (meaning no land, only water or lifelessness) and void (void meaning empty space, see Job 26:7) and darkness (darkness meaning absent of light, see Ps 104:20, 24) was over the surface (surface meaning earth) of the deep.

 

In Peter's interpretation of this day, it would appear that the very water itself is what became dry land in this process.
</font>[/QUOTE]What 2 Peter 3:3-6 actually says: “…there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:”

“scoffers” hmmm….

Hence the NAS interpretation of “For when they maintain this” to the KJV of “For this they willingly are ignorant of.” I guess “Willingly ignorant” may hurt a few feelings.

“the earth standing out of the water and in the water” Genesis 1:7 maybe?

“Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.” Could this mean a global flood?

 

A_Christian-A totally unrelated point to anything brought up: Are you pushing the enter key halfway through your sentences? I'm wondering because your post seems distinctly different then everyone elses.

Actually sort of. I use my head and I don't ignore the world around me in order to justify my paradigm. My God is not a liar, however I don't know how you can sit there maintaining a YEC and not realize your intellectual dishonesty.

Oh please, you can't prove this. All it is is an attempt to discredit scientists by making them seem like conspiracy-holding atheists. I on the other hand have given evidence that the majority of Christians accept evolution.

Um...Do you know how far Darwin actually got in the church? I'm betting you don't.

Two things about this. One, so what? And two, you don't know if they are in hell or not-you are assuming it. I'll grant you that Sagan didn't accept Jesus, but I'm certainly not going to step into God's shoes and pronounce that sort of judgment on him. That's for God to do, not you.

No need to feel sorry for me, I accept Jesus as my personal savior. It seems as though you are suggesting that you have divine knowledge of where I'm going after I die. Guess what? You don't. You are not Jesus, you don't get to make that call. I get the feeling from your descriptive accusation of Sagan that you receive a certain amount of pleasure from envisioning people who disagree with you going to hell.

For that I feel sorry for you.

 

Hello everybody.

So, if I take Exodus 20:8-11 and claim that God created the universe in 6 literal days, that's making God a liar, even though that's what He says He did. BUT if I belive in billions of years, then I'm not making God a liar, even though He says He did it in 6 days? I'm afraid I don't understand.

Luke 1:37 says that nothing is impossible with God. The context of this verse is the scientifically impossible virgin birth. Why exactly is a young earth impossible if (1) God says He did it in 6 days and (2) nothing is impossible with God?

How is God being deceptive when He tells us it took 6 days? A 6-day creation demands creation with apparent age -- that's what we should expect to see. I don't see anything deceptive about it.


Andy