What does the Catholic Church say about us who believe in salvation by faith alone?

[utilyan]

Nothing to do with sola fide. This verse is about the resurrection of the dead, not sola fide.



Helps if you read the whole passage. If you had, you would have seen that this passage is about rewards at the Bema Seat Judgment, not about salvation and certainly not works-based salvation.



Two problems here. The first is that Ecclesiastes would be under the Old Covenant, before men were saved, when sin was only covered and not forgiven.

The second is that this is referring to judgment, not to salvation.



See above.



Not for us. The Bible is clear that we are saved by grace through faith, not by works.

Clear?

James 2

24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


I couldn't author anything myself to make the faith alone position look more stupid. The only place it says FAITH ALONE in the bible is to tell you ITS NOT FAITH ALONE.



Do you believe Dead Bodies exists? Like maybe in a cemetery or morgue?

James 2
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

BODY = FAITH

SPIRIT = WORKS

Faith alone is a DEAD BODY.



The entire chapter is entirely geared towards the blunderous stupidity of "faith alone". James even calls it stupid! And he is laying out the exact same we're saying,

SATAN has faith, Devils believe too! that doesn't save them.

James 2

19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?


Who is this stupid foolish fellow James is talking about? I bet only one of us thinks this foolish fellow exists.

faith without works is useless< That is the HOLY WORD OF GOD.

Please by all means exegete FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS USELESS.


James 2 Because of this scripture, I believe in God.
Because there is NO WAY anyone can get this wrong unless they have been divinely struck stupid.

I've often asked yeah please read it to me, give me your version of the WHOLE Chapter. They always chicken out and don't deliver they know its stupid too.

The only thing holding it up the pride of being right rather then being right maybe with a sprinkle of peer pressure.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Clear?

James 2

24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


I couldn't author anything myself to make the faith alone position look more stupid. The only place it says FAITH ALONE in the bible is to tell you ITS NOT FAITH ALONE.



Do you believe Dead Bodies exists? Like maybe in a cemetery or morgue?

James 2
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

BODY = FAITH

SPIRIT = WORKS

Faith alone is a DEAD BODY.



The entire chapter is entirely geared towards the blunderous stupidity of "faith alone". James even calls it stupid! And he is laying out the exact same we're saying,

SATAN has faith, Devils believe too! that doesn't save them.

James 2

19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?


Who is this stupid foolish fellow James is talking about? I bet only one of us thinks this foolish fellow exists.

faith without works is useless< That is the HOLY WORD OF GOD.

Please by all means exegete FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS USELESS.


James 2 Because of this scripture, I believe in God.
Because there is NO WAY anyone can get this wrong unless they have been divinely struck stupid.

I've often asked yeah please read it to me, give me your version of the WHOLE Chapter. They always chicken out and don't deliver they know its stupid too.

The only thing holding it up the pride of being right rather then being right maybe with a sprinkle of peer pressure.

If you feel Christ is not enough for you and that you can work your way into God's favor, then that's a decision you have to make.

 

[Yeshua1]

It is a very accurate portrayal and comparison, although it is Challies who misunderstands the teachings of scripture. Trent got it right, at least on this topic.

Would say that Trent declared that ALL like me who disagree with the False Gosel of Rome and hold to the true Gospel will be damned!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is an excellent article by Tim Challies. He has been doing a series on false teachers and he recently had a post on Pope Frances being a false teacher. Obviously he got some negative feedback to that and so instead of arguing, he used the Catholic Church's own words to show that we do not teach the same salvation.

What are your thoughts?

Anti-Catholic or Pro-Gospel? - Tim Challies

the Church of Rome officially went Apostate at Council of Rome!

 

[utilyan]

If you feel Christ is not enough for you and that you can work your way into God's favor, then that's a decision you have to make.

You are the one that says Christ is not enough, because LOVING GOD is work.

We love Jesus. FOR FREE. I don't expect nor want heaven for loving Jesus. We give that for free.

We don't look at GOD's COMMAND in a SELFISH MANNER and ponder, well what is this going to do this for me?

You can pick one, LOVE GOD or FAITH IN GOD. We love God. You just worship "salvation" and don't mind hating God to get what you want.

Love God is commandment, Love Neighbor is a Commandment, Faith Alone is not a commandment.

 

[utilyan]

the Church of Rome officially went Apostate at Council of Rome!

Give us a Date. So we can show you the church still taught what it teaches years before.

 

[kyredneck]

Apparently these passages of scripture didn’t make it into Challies’ Bible, or yours either.

“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’ Matthew 25:34-40.

Not even any hint of faith here.

And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.” Matthew 18:34-35.

Nothing about faith here either, but maybe a little work in forgiving your neighbor will be required.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.” John 15:1-2

Nothing about faith here but you mustbear fruit or you’re toast.

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. James 2:24-26.

Anyone who say works isn't necessary to go to Heaven is living is denial.

Excellent post. Well articulated.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You are the one that says Christ is not enough, because LOVING GOD is work.

We love Jesus. FOR FREE. I don't expect nor want heaven for loving Jesus. We give that for free.

We don't look at GOD's COMMAND in a SELFISH MANNER and ponder, well what is this going to do this for me?

You can pick one, LOVE GOD or FAITH IN GOD. We love God. You just worship "salvation" and don't mind hating God to get what you want.

Love God is commandment, Love Neighbor is a Commandment, Faith Alone is not a commandment.

I'm not sure which is worse: Your dishonesty, your ignorance of our religion, or your terrible logical fallacies.

In any event, as the Bible tells us not to argue with a fool according to his folly, this is where I get off this merry-go-round.

 

[kyredneck]

All I did is what the sola fide crowd always does--quote the faith passages and ignore the works passages. I did the opposite. Of course you must have both. Neither is optional.

Well, you got this much of it right, I couldn't agree more. I don't agree with the rest of your post. The atonement covers ALL sin(s), forever:

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10

..... and the heart that has the law written upon it fulfills the law, naturally.

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

The circumcised heart from which comes these good works is given to His children from 'grace alone', or, 'Christ alone', and has NOTHING to do with their 'faith alone'. In fact, their faith is a product of the circumcised heart.

 

[utilyan]

I'm not sure which is worse: Your dishonesty, your ignorance of our religion, or your terrible logical fallacies.

In any event, as the Bible tells us not to argue with a fool according to his folly, this is where I get off this merry-go-round.

See John I wouldn't insult you over your ignorance, Is that the kind of Christ-like attitude I'm missing out on for not joining your camp?

I'm telling you look at that word faith man, It has nothing to do with allegiance with God.

If when you say FAITH ALONE thats not the same as FAITH + LOYALTY, or FAITH+LOVE.



Now if you were to tell me HOLD ON BROTHER!,,, when I say "faith alone" packaged inside there is a allegiance, loyalty, love of God. Then we got something going.

This has been argued for hundreds of years. Why is so off putting about having an obedience to God?

 

[Yeshua1]

See John I wouldn't insult you over your ignorance, Is that the kind of Christ-like attitude I'm missing out on for not joining your camp?

I'm telling you look at that word faith man, It has nothing to do with allegiance with God.

If when you say FAITH ALONE thats not the same as FAITH + LOYALTY, or FAITH+LOVE.



Now if you were to tell me HOLD ON BROTHER!,,, when I say "faith alone" packaged inside there is a allegiance, loyalty, love of God. Then we got something going.

This has been argued for hundreds of years. Why is so off putting about having an obedience to God?

The bible teaches to us that a sinner is made right by the death of Jesus on the Cross, period, and that faith alone in Him accesses that saving grace!

 

[Yeshua1]

Give us a Date. So we can show you the church still taught what it teaches years before.

The Council codified for all time her Apostasy, as Rome was given chance to reform,but refused, and thus now condemned as a church!

 

[Adonia]

The Council codified for all time her Apostasy, as Rome was given chance to reform,but refused, and thus now condemned as a church!

Condemned by who? Heretics? Now that has me shaking in my boots!

 

[Adonia]

The bible teaches to us that a sinner is made right by the death of Jesus on the Cross, period, and that faith alone in Him accesses that saving grace!

The Bible teaches many things about salvation. Faith, Baptism, good works. We reap what we sow, remember?

 

[Yeshua1]

Condemned by who? Heretics? Now that has me shaking in my boots!

No, condemned by the father Son and Holy Spirit, and once they decide that you are heretical in theology...

 

[Yeshua1]

The Bible teaches many things about salvation. Faith, Baptism, good works. We reap what we sow, remember?

teaches us mainly that Rome has a wrong Gospel message!

 

[utilyan]

The Council codified for all time her Apostasy, as Rome was given chance to reform,but refused, and thus now condemned as a church!

Give us a date or it never happened.

 

[Adonia]

teaches us mainly that Rome has a wrong Gospel message!

What is the wrong Gospel message of which you speak? The Catholic Church teaches salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, so much so that that is the main reason why the Mass even exists. I didn't see that action the last time I went to a non-denominational worship service.

 

[Adonia]

No, condemned by the father Son and Holy Spirit, and once they decide that you are heretical in theology...

Oh I see, and you have somehow been given a special insight by the Holy Trinity that has allowed you to come up with that conclusion? Yeah, right.

 

[Yeshua1]

Give us a date or it never happened.

Whenever the Council of trent was held!