What does this scripture mean and how do you interpret it?

[jbh28]

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

What is your opinion/ interpretation of purified seven times?

It means that the words of the Lord are pure words. It compares the purity to that of silver purified 7 times. The pure words of God don't need to be purified like silver does. Silver has impurities and must be purified. Silver that's been purified 7 times is very pure. This was use as an analogy to show that the words of the Lord are pure.

is the KJV this 7th purification?

no, the 7 times has nothing to do with Scripture. It was silver that was purified. The words of the Lord do not need to be purified.

 

[Yeshua1]

I know this sounds naive but I believe the 1894 Scrivener Greek Text is the true text.

Basically (apparently) it is a composite, he pieced together the text underlying the Authorised (AD1611) text using the different existing scribal works (Beza, Erasmus, Stephanus, etc).


HankD

ANY versions based upon that Greek text though?

 

[Yeshua1]

There is no such thing as "the perfect translation." The Bible is inspired only in the original autographs, but God preserved His words through the multitude of manuscripts that were copied from those original autographs to give us a solid foundation upon which to base our translations and be 99.5% confident they are faithful to those original autographs.

I know, was just answering "tongue in cheek:, as why would the "perfect one" need to be corrected/revised?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I know, was just answering "tongue in cheek:, as why would the "perfect one" need to be corrected/revised?

I knew that, actually. I was just making sure no one thought you were being serious. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[kyredneck]

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

What is your opinion/ interpretation of purified seven times?

is the KJV this 7th purification?

Meanwhile, seven chapters on:

7 The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring the soul: The testimony of Jehovah is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of Jehovah are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of Jehovah is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of Jehovah is clean, enduring for ever: The ordinances of Jehovah are true, and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the droppings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: In keeping them there is great reward. Ps 19

I believe the gist of 12:6 is contained in 19:10 above. I'm guessing Ps 119 would be loaded with such metaphors.

 

[HankD]

ANY versions based upon that Greek text though?

It underlies the KJV and the NKJV (for the most part).

HankD

 

[franklinmonroe]

I know this sounds naive but I believe the 1894 Scrivener Greek Text is the true text. ...

So then, you accept the subscriptions following the Pauline epistles as inspired?

 

[franklinmonroe]

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

What is your opinion/ interpretation of purified seven times?

is the KJV this 7th purification?

What do you think this verse meant to the many generations of Christians that read it before 1611?

 

[Yeshua1]

So then, you accept the subscriptions following the Pauline epistles as inspired?

wasn't the 'true text" the originals, and we have a choose as to which would be he best copy available for us to use today?

 

[franklinmonroe]

wasn't the 'true text" the originals, and we have a choose as to which would be he best copy available for us to use today?

Yeshua1, I'm not sure how to respond to your question. I'm not even certain that I should respond to it since it doesn't really seem to stem from my question for HankD.

If you are interested in some background regarding my question for HankD look here --
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=47257

 

[saturneptune]

The verse is a market tip. Buy into the silver market, then when it is seven times the original value, sell. Of course, one can purchase any amount of silver ounces except 30

 

[robycop3]

Well, this scripture has extra meaning to me, because I work in metallurgy, and we use furnaces to purify steel.

We heat steel up to around 1550 degrees F to purify it, to impregnate it with carbon and other features. I don't actually run the furnaces, so I can't explain exactly what goes on. But the furnaces have to be an exact heat +/- 10 degrees, and the metal must travel through the furnace at a set speed. So it must be heated an exact time.

We then have what is called "quench" which cools the metal instantly. This also removes impurities and creates a "grain", not unlike wood grain. However, the quench makes the steel brittle like glass.

We then super-cool the steel down to minus 120 degrees F. This removes more impurities and again forms the perfect size grain. However, the steel is very brittle now.

Finally we must "temper" the steel which makes it soft and malleable, so that it does not crack. It is no longer brittle. This is done by heating the steel up to from around 350-700 degrees F for a specified time. Everything must be very exact.

So, there are quite a few steps to making good steel that is durable for the purpose intended and will not crack under stress.

What is amazing to me is that this science goes back thousands of years. Steel has to be made in an "atmosphere", or various gases to be made properly. I am amazed they discovered this in the ancient past.

Anyway, enough of that, this scripture tells me the word of God is pure. It does not contain mistakes. It is without error. It is like silver that has been melted down 7 times and all the impurities scrapped off so that it is as pure as it can possibly be.

Now, I have heard theories about the word of God being purified 7 times in English. There might be something to this, or maybe not.

That doesn't matter to me, I believe God has preserved his word by faith, and in English I believe it is the King James Bible.

Well, I DO work with MOLTEN steel; I ran an electric-arc furnace for 11 years until I used my seniority to switch jobs.

We melt scrap steel to a temp of about 3050 degrees F. The impurities rise to the surface of the "bath' of molten metal as slag, which is poured off. Other impurities are burned to vapor by injecting oxygen into the melt. We add or burn up carbon as needed for the particular alloy we're making, along with the ore of other metals such as manganese or vanadium. The non-metallic parts of the ore either vaporize or become part of the slag.

 

[robycop3]

So if the words of God are pure, but all translations and all Greek texts are impure, then we do not really have these pure words of God, the pure words of God do not exist on earth in reality, according to you guys the pure words of God are not something any person on earth can really get their hands on because all translations have errors. You absolutely do not believe in the doctrine of preservation, because there is nowhere to find a preserved pure word, it's strictly imaginative in your minds.

In Psalm 12:6, David is **COMPARING** God's word to the purest physical thing known to him & the other Israelis-silver that had been purified 7 times, the standard for the silver used in making the Tabernacle implements. Even using ancient methods, this process yields silver so pure that ordinary methods won't reveal any impurities. To David, this silver was ABSOLUTELY pure, as are God's words.

There was **NO** 'purification process' for God's words! They were 100% pure the instant He uttered them!

However, Psalm 12:7 is about PEOPLE; this has been discussed in other threads, so I won't repeat those discussions except to remind everyone of the marginal note in the AV 1611 for the 2nd them in V7: "Heb. him, I. euery one of them."

 

[robycop3]

Well, that's all fine and dandy, but according to the Critical Text, the last 12 verses (vs. 9-20) of Mark 16 are not supposed to be there. There are many other differences besides, but this passage is the most famous.

It is impossible that that the word of God should both contain and omit these verses, so either the Received Text contains extra words and is not preserved, or the Critical Text is missing words and is not preserved.

No, it's NOT impossible, except to KJVOs. Many Old Testament quotes in the New Testament do NOT match the original OT quotes, and it's NOT just because of the differences in Hebrew and Greek. A prime example is in Luke 4:16-21 where JESUS READS ALOUD from a copy of the Book of isaiah that does not match the original, but yet is called "this Scripture" by Jesus.

 

[robycop3]

Changes to the KJB are quite different from the missing 12 verses of Mark and you know it.

Most of the changes to the KJB have been corrections of typos, and spelling changes as English spelling became more standardized. There have been very limited textual changes that simply clarified the text.

Printing was very primitive in the early days of printing the King James, so yes, oftentimes errors were introduced that took many years to correct. That does not mean the original translation was error. And small textual changes also do not mean the original text was error. Adding the words "of God" to "Son" is not an error, and "Son" as it was was not an error. Adding "of God" just adds clarity.

As for all the different versions of the TR, I do not care about that. I am satisfied that the King James translators determined what was the correct texts and this is what they used to translate the KJB.

REALLY?

Then howdya explain obvious goofs in the KJV such as "Easter" in Acts 12;4, "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil" in 1 Tim. 6:10, or "Thou shalt not KILL" in Ex. 20:13?

 

[Yeshua1]

No, it's NOT impossible, except to KJVOs. Many Old Testament quotes in the New Testament do NOT match the original OT quotes, and it's NOT just because of the differences in Hebrew and Greek. A prime example is in Luke 4:16-21 where JESUS READS ALOUD from a copy of the Book of isaiah that does not match the original, but yet is called "this Scripture" by Jesus.

Think many times the Apostles quoted and used the LXX instead of the traditional OT text though!

And still curious as to WHICH TR/KJV is to be seen as agreed upon real ones?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I know his words are pure, but is there a purification process for translational work?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

REALLY?

http://66.147.244.191/~oakwoodb/2013/08/15/easter-or-passover-in-acts-124/

 

[Winman]

No, it's NOT impossible, except to KJVOs. Many Old Testament quotes in the New Testament do NOT match the original OT quotes, and it's NOT just because of the differences in Hebrew and Greek. A prime example is in Luke 4:16-21 where JESUS READS ALOUD from a copy of the Book of isaiah that does not match the original, but yet is called "this Scripture" by Jesus.

It is impossible that the last 12 verses of Mark are supposed to be in the scripture AND to be omitted in Greek. These 12 verses are not a restatement of OT scripture.

I don't know where you learned logic, but you deserve a complete refund.

 

[InTheLight]

It is impossible that the last 12 verses of Mark are supposed to be in the scripture AND to be omitted in Greek. .

They could have been in the original manuscript and ripped out and/or stolen by unbelievers.