What establishes your hermeneutics?

[Jarthur001]

So, I guess it would be safe to say that you were not influenced by your friends or relatives to become a Calvinist?
You mean you came to this decision on your own?

well...
I did use the Bible.

what gets me is how some try to tell us how we came about to believe the Bible. They think they know Calvinism better then a Calvinist and Calvinist are fools that have come under a spell and well....those poor foolish Calvinist...they just don't know what they believe...so it is their job to TELL them. All Calvinist were tricked by other Calvinist...so they say....and they need to wake them up and tell them the truth, because they are so far into this, they no longer know the truth.

The only think they do wrong.....

They tell us about it...and it becomes clear they do not understand.

 

[webdog]

How about changing from previous human understanidng to being taught and enlightened by the Holy SPirit, our teacher.

So my understanding (and the majority of believers) of Scirpture is purely "human understanding"?

You guys really need to get over yourselves! The prides is so thick you can cut it with a knife!

 

[webdog]

Yes, you've asserted this before about Amy and questioned her quite extensively and even perhaps aggressively and she responded graciously everytime.
You started a whole thread to devote to this issue of "influence" and last time I checked the thread, my response was the last one and I was agreeing with Russell55 who said:


So why can't you drop this tirade against Amy and her "outside influence" into Calvinism?

What are you hoping to find?
That she's been secretly listening to John Piper sermons and now she's a biblical determinist and Christian hedonist.
Or that she's been reading a book by Sproul that has somehow revamped her thinking into his "hyper" camp.
And then you can triumphantly say, "See, I knew she was being influenced by something!".
Maybe she'll just make something up so that you can have your hayday with it and hopefully get this ridiculous crusade over with.

Curious...were you invloved in drama in school? Your posts are full of it...

 

[webdog]

Amen. Webdog, you should join forces with Lou M. and the two of you can go off and rant about outside influences and how Calvinists have to view everything through TULIP, even before they ever heard of TULIP. Then there'd be a whopping two of you who believe these claims.

...and another post from the BB peanut gallery...

 

[TCGreek]

We need to learn to move from Text to Theology back to Text and Then Theology and Application, resulting in Doxology.

 

[Amy.G]

It was said somewhere in all these threads that Calvinism is once again growing among the churches (or something to that effect). Does anyone have an idea why that is?

 

[npetreley]

...and another post from the BB peanut gallery...

Ooh, I've been dissed by webdog. That's another two years of therapy to undo the emotional damage.

 

[webdog]

It was said somewhere in all these threads that Calvinism is once again growing among the churches (or something to that effect). Does anyone have an idea why that is?

Maybe the need to proselytize?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=42563

Another reason, possibly they are the more vocal? Insecurity? Could be a number of reasons...

 

[TCGreek]

It was said somewhere in all these threads that Calvinism is once again growing among the churches (or something to that effect). Does anyone have an idea why that is?

I too have heard it from Macarthur and Piper; I suspect more and more people are returning to pure expository preaching and where it is leading.

 

[reformedbeliever]

So my understanding (and the majority of believers) of Scirpture is purely "human understanding"?

You guys really need to get over yourselves! The prides is so thick you can cut it with a knife!

Would the Holy Spirit be divided?

 

[npetreley]

It was said somewhere in all these threads that Calvinism is once again growing among the churches (or something to that effect). Does anyone have an idea why that is?

I don't know. I think free-willism grew because that's what the colleges taught, and they simply churned out a bunch of free-willer pastors who are too lazy to do anything more than regurgitate what they were taught. Maybe the teachers are becoming more Calvinist, and they're churning out Calvinist pastors now? It's a shame if it works that way, but that's just a guess.

 

[webdog]

Would the Holy Spirit be divided?

Absolutely not...which is the point behind the influence thread I started that Isaiah was railing against. If the Holy Spirit is our "only" influence, we would all believe the same! There IS and ARE outside influences and to why one becomes indoctrinated into calvinism...regardless of what is stated otherwise...and you just helped me prove that point.

 

[webdog]

I don't know. I think free-willism grew because that's what the colleges taught, and they simply churned out a bunch of free-willer pastors who are too lazy to do anything more than regurgitate what they were taught. Maybe the teachers are becoming more Calvinist, and they're churning out Calvinist pastors now? It's a shame if it works that way, but that's just a guess.

Wow...now you are calling out God's servants as being "lazy". I'm glad you hold this kind of authority... :BangHead:

Pride is a very common trait amongst calvinists...and it can be seen in this thread full force.

 

[Amy.G]

Absolutely not...which is the point behind the influence thread I started that Isaiah was railing against. If the Holy Spirit is our "only" influence, we would all believe the same! There IS and ARE outside influences and to why one becomes indoctrinated into calvinism...regardless of what is stated otherwise...and you just helped me prove that point.

By the same token, we are influenced by the non-cal, free will side as well. How does one avoid being influenced? You have been influenced as well by someone.

 

[Amy.G]

Isaiah, I apologize for your thread getting hyjacked.
My hermenuetics (sp?) were pretty well accepted until I started thinking like a Calvinist. I seem to have lost some respect.

 

[webdog]

By the same token, we are influenced by the non-cal, free will side as well. How does one avoid being influenced? You have been influenced as well by someone.

Not entirely true. It would be more of returning to one's roots, thatof God being true and all men liars. Scripture clearly teaches both the soveriegnty of God and free will of man.
One is born again as a non cal. One is indoctrinated into calvinism AFTER being born again.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Absolutely not...which is the point behind the influence thread I started that Isaiah was railing against. If the Holy Spirit is our "only" influence, we would all believe the same! There IS and ARE outside influences and to why one becomes indoctrinated into calvinism...regardless of what is stated otherwise...and you just helped me prove that point.

No... actually you just proved my point. You think it was the Holy Spirit who influenced you and your doctrine.... and it was other outside influences who influenced us poor Calvinists.

I was not born again until I had heard (from the Holy Spirit) that my being born again was not dependent upon an exercise of my will. It was His sovereign choice of me.... and His sovereign grace that caused me to be born again. I was born again by the Holy Spirit of God........ and no free will doctrine ever caused me to be born again. Using your logic.... how is that?

 

[webdog]

Isaiah, I apologize for your thread getting hyjacked.
My hermenuetics (sp?) were pretty well accepted until I started thinking like a Calvinist. I seem to have lost some respect.

You didn't lose respect, but you did lose some hermeunetic accuracy

 

[reformedbeliever]

Not entirely true. It would be more of returning to one's roots, thatof God being true and all men liars. Scripture clearly teaches both the soveriegnty of God and free will of man.
One is born again as a non cal. One is indoctrinated into calvinism AFTER being born again.

What a joke! I was not born again a non cal. I was not born again until the Holy Spirit taught me different than the free willism I was taught my whole life. I'm living proof that proves you wrong web.

 

[webdog]

No... actually you just proved my point. You think it was the Holy Spirit who influenced you and your doctrine.... and it was other outside influences who influenced us poor Calvinists.

The Bible clearly teaches man's responsibiltiy...man's ability to choose...and God's sovereignty. I've believed that from the moment I've been born again to the present. That's Bible, my friend. I ALMOST was a full fledged calvinist...I know.