What establishes your hermeneutics?

What's a joke...that the Bible clearly teaching the responsibility and ability to choose of man and God's sovereignty, or that you were saved believing the "doctrines of grace"?

 

Actually the Bible teaches that man can only choose against God until they are born again.... but you just don't see it.

 

...probably because the Bible doesn't say it

 

Nope. You've just been indoctrinated and can only see scripture through the eyes of Pelagius.

 

I'll not hijack this thread further web by arguing with you. You fail to see the obvious scriptures that say that we do not seek God.... that He chooses us rather than the opposite... We have been through it a dozen gazillion times. You have the last word.... after all..... its only your opinion, and everyone has one of those.

 

If indoctrination is the learned instruction in doctrine or prinicples...and I've believed pretty much what I have read in Scripture, then I am more than happy to admit I have been indoctinated into understanding Jesus Christ from His Word.

Never studied Pelagius...was he the sith lord in Star Wars?

 

Jeremiah 29:13, etc. etc.

Joshua 24:15, etc. etc.

 

Herme -what-ics?

 

It is the ability to play the her-monica

 

Sorry, I don't believe you. If we see everything through Calvin even after we've repeatedly said we haven't read Calvin, then you must be seeing everything through Pelagius, even if you SAY you haven't studied him. Too bad. You're stuck with the stereotype now. Pelagius lover.

 

I've never once used the term "calvin lover" in 8000+ posts. Feel like being a grown up, npet?

 

I'll give you this...

One cannot be a Calvinist, till one studies the Bible. Ask anyone that holds to this doctrine and I think you will find they agree.

 

Wow! You can dish it out daily, but you sure can't take it - not even when it's just a parody of your own daily "junk" (changed at the request of a friend).

 

All you have to do is read christian writtings and listen to some of whats being taught to know that people are using human understanding to try and understand scripture.

 

Potty mouth, eh?

I can take it, but I also dish it right back.

 

Exactly...TULIP.

 

Here's your human understanding which is the very reverse of TULIP WD .

PCURP

P= partial depravity
C= conditional election
U= unlimited ,or universal atonement
R= resistable grace -to those He chose
P = I'll give you credit for that one . But it's just extra-credit .

 

Thanks for telling me what I believe...but I think I can handle it. It really looks nothing like what you posted, btw.

 

Well , I dare say it's much closer to your beliefs than TULIP , WD .

 

Again, why not allow ME to tell YOU what I believe?