What establishes your hermeneutics?

[Isaiah40:28]

Actually Tiny Tim and Amy are both correct, Amy starts at the beginning and Tim takes it a little deeper on the Hermeneutical level.. It would probably do one good to read a few books on Hermeneutics, my own personal recommendation would be books written by Virkler,Zuck, and Hatrill which would fill in the gaps and round out a good understanding of hermeneutics. I know every body likes Ramm but I think he leaves to much out(just my opinjon).:godisgood: All this other stuff on the thread is just hijacking.

I'm not familiar with the authors you mentioned, but then again, it's not a topic I have purposefully read up on. I've just gathered bits and pieces along the way.
So far the only book I've read anything from is Walter Kaiser, Jr., Toward an Exegetical Theology.

 

[Isaiah40:28]

It was said somewhere in all these threads that Calvinism is once again growing among the churches (or something to that effect). Does anyone have an idea why that is?

I forgot you asked this.
I haven't read these articles by Mark Dever myself yet, but I know that many on the blogs and forums I frequent did and really enjoyed them.
Here's a link to them all which starts at the top with Part 10.
Scroll down to the bottom until you find where Part 1 begins.
http://blog.9marks.org/whered_all_these_calvanists_come_from/index.html

 

[npetreley]

I forgot you asked this.
I haven't read these articles by Mark Dever myself yet, but I know that many on the blogs and forums I frequent did and really enjoyed them.
Here's a link to them all which starts at the top with Part 10.
Scroll down to the bottom until you find where Part 1 begins.
http://blog.9marks.org/whered_all_these_calvanists_come_from/index.html

That's pretty good stuff. I especially liked this...

Reformed theology, on the other hand, teaches about a god who is GOD. The kind of objections that seem to motivate Arminianism are disallowed by the very presuppositions Calvinism understands the Bible to teach about God. This God is sovereign and exercises His sovereignty. This God is centered on Himself. And this God is understood to be morally good in being so Self-centered. In fact, it would be evil, wrong, deceptive for Him to be centered on anything other than His own glory. There is no apology about this.

 

[Amy.G]

I forgot you asked this.
I haven't read these articles by Mark Dever myself yet, but I know that many on the blogs and forums I frequent did and really enjoyed them.
Here's a link to them all which starts at the top with Part 10.
Scroll down to the bottom until you find where Part 1 begins.
http://blog.9marks.org/whered_all_these_calvanists_come_from/index.html

Thank you! :wavey:

 

[TCGreek]

That's pretty good stuff. I especially liked this...

This quote is too heavy and majestic for non-Calvinists to really appreciate, for they continue to accuse us of painting an evil picture of God. But look at that awe-inspiring quote!

 

[webdog]

This quote is too heavy and majestic for non-Calvinists to really appreciate, for they continue to accuse of painting an evil picture of God. But look at that awe-inspiring quote!

Thank you for allowing little non majestic 'ole me for gracing the presence of such majestic calvinists with such awe inspiring vast wisdom and knowledge.

BARF!!!:BangHead:

The pride on here is truly amazing!

 

[tinytim]

Very good Tiny, except that I would move the Lexicon down to #6 and I would move literary (genre) up to #1 and context up to # 2. I seem to hold a extreme minority position on grammer and definition. I believe that definition is often determined by context. Too many times people will find a definition among the list of alternates that they like and then try to shove that definition into the context. And grammar is often, but not always, purely incidental. Again, context establishes the meaning of the grammar.

Nice worksheet too. I think I'll steal it.

Feel free to use it anyway you want...
And the numbers were arbitrary... The point is, they needed to work through all of them before trying to applying it to their lives....

Amy, Npet, and all others.. why don't you take some controversial passage like Romans 9 and work through it with my work sheet...

It may open your eyes to something, or confirm others....

 

[TCGreek]

Thank you for allowing little non majestic 'ole me for gracing the presence of such majestic calvinists with such awe inspiring vast wisdom and knowledge.

BARF!!!:BangHead:

The pride on here is truly amazing!

What you call pride is our exultation in the sovereignty of God and what it means for our eternal salvation.

 

[webdog]

I call it pride. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

This may come as a surprise to you ...but calvinists aren't the only ones to believe in the sovereignty of God...and get this...even when it comes to "our" salvation

 

[npetreley]

I call it pride. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

This may come as a surprise to you ...but calvinists aren't the only ones to believe in the sovereignty of God...and get this...even when it comes to "our" salvation

Bologna. If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision. Any attempt to position it otherwise is nothing but meaningless babble.

 

[webdog]

Bologna. If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision. Any attempt to position it otherwise is nothing but meaningless babble.

:laugh: Gotta love how WE tell God how His sovereignty has to be!

Now THAT is a very salty deli meat ... and infant speech!

 

[TCGreek]

:laugh: Gotta love how WE tell God how His sovereignty has to be!

Now THAT is a very salty deli meat ... and infant speech!

Ditto, my friend.

And, so Calvinists sing like Jonah, "Salvation is of the Lord," for we cannot improve this profound truth of Scripture.

 

[webdog]

Ditto, my friend.

And, so Calvinists sing like Jonah, "Salvation is of the Lord," for we cannot improve this profound truth of Scripture.

Non cal's sing the same song. The problem lies when calvinists think they hold the rights to God's sovereignty as expressed by... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision."

I say God is sovereign EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty? :laugh:

 

[npetreley]

Non cal's sing the same song. The problem lies when calvinists think they hold the rights to God's sovereignty as expressed by... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision."

I say God is sovereign EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty? :laugh:

You changed the point. You conveniently left out "in that decision" in your statement. Say this, instead:

"I say God is sovereign in that decision EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty?"

If you really believe that, you have no idea what sovereignty means.

 

[TCGreek]

Non cal's sing the same song. The problem lies when calvinists think they hold the rights to God's sovereignty as expressed by... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision."

I say God is sovereign EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty? :laugh:

1. But get this: He has not left it up to us!

2. Those who think God has left it up to us continue to sing the last line of Just As I Am over ten times at their meetings, attempting a response.

3. But none would geniunely come until the Lord opens the heart (Acts 16:14).

 

[webdog]

You changed the point. You conveniently left out "in that decision" in your statement. Say this, instead:

"I say God is sovereign in that decision EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty?"

I didn't leave anything out of my statment... I know what I meant to say.

It's amazing you don't see... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision." ...as limiting God's sovereignty!

 

[npetreley]

'smatter doggy? Not so quick to shoot off your mouth now? Just go ahead and say it. After all, it's impossible for you to be wrong even when you are wrong. Here, I'll say it for you:

"I say God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign."

There. Now you can feel like you got the last word and you were right all along.

 

[webdog]

1. But get this: He has not left it up to us!

Get this...He has!

2. Those who think God has left it up to us continue to sing the last line of Just As I Am over ten times at their meetings, attempting a response.

Typical calvinist stereotype answer...and wrong!

3. But none would geniunely come until the Lord opens the heart (Acts 16:14).

Bingo! Something we agree on!

 

[npetreley]

I didn't leave anything out of my statment... I know what I meant to say.

It's amazing you don't see... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision." ...as limiting God's sovereignty!

So that's what you believe? That if God leaves a decision up to you, He's still sovereign in that decision? No problem -- I said it for you more directly.

"God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise, you are limiting God's sovereignty."

:laugh:

 

[TCGreek]

Bingo! Something we agree on!

1. If the Lord is the one who opens the heart of the sinner, How can you say Bingo? Doesn't this prove the Sovereignty of God in salvation?

2. Without God opening the heart of the sinner, the sinner can do NOTHING of his/her own. Sovereignty means that it is all of God.