What establishes your hermeneutics?

[webdog]

What a joke! I was not born again a non cal. I was not born again until the Holy Spirit taught me different than the free willism I was taught my whole life. I'm living proof that proves you wrong web.

What's a joke...that the Bible clearly teaching the responsibility and ability to choose of man and God's sovereignty, or that you were saved believing the "doctrines of grace"?

 

[reformedbeliever]

The Bible clearly teaches man's responsibiltiy...man's ability to choose...and God's sovereignty. I've believed that from the moment I've been born again to the present. That's Bible, my friend. I ALMOST was a full fledged calvinist...I know.

Actually the Bible teaches that man can only choose against God until they are born again.... but you just don't see it.

 

[webdog]

Actually the Bible teaches that man can only choose against God until they are born again.... but you just don't see it.

...probably because the Bible doesn't say it

 

[npetreley]

...probably because the Bible doesn't say it

Nope. You've just been indoctrinated and can only see scripture through the eyes of Pelagius.

 

[reformedbeliever]

...probably because the Bible doesn't say it

I'll not hijack this thread further web by arguing with you. You fail to see the obvious scriptures that say that we do not seek God.... that He chooses us rather than the opposite... We have been through it a dozen gazillion times. You have the last word.... after all..... its only your opinion, and everyone has one of those.

 

[webdog]

Nope. You've just been indoctrinated and can only see scripture through the eyes of Pelagius.

If indoctrination is the learned instruction in doctrine or prinicples...and I've believed pretty much what I have read in Scripture, then I am more than happy to admit I have been indoctinated into understanding Jesus Christ from His Word.

Never studied Pelagius...was he the sith lord in Star Wars?

 

[webdog]

You fail to see the obvious scriptures that say that we do not seek God....

Jeremiah 29:13, etc. etc.

that He chooses us rather than the opposite...

Joshua 24:15, etc. etc.

 

[tjfkbrawny]

This is part of discussion Allan and I were having on John 17:12.
I'm open to criticism of my hermeneutical approach.
I haven't studied at a seminary or bible college, so mine is mostly influenced by pastors, teachers, and authors I respect. (and my husband, who I also respect).

So I was interested in what styles of hermeneutics are out there and how they influence our exegesis or interpretation of the Bible.

Is Allan's style more right than mine or mine more right than his? How can we know?
Is the style the sole determiner of how we will interpret a verse?
Must you change your style before your interpretation will change?

For the Calvinists, I assume that many of us were raised non-Calvinist, like myself and others I have seen here testify. Did your style of hermeneutics change before you embraced a different interpretation? Or did the interpretation of one or several passages change before you changed your approach to hermeneutics?
These may not be answerable questions for some, or at least not previously thought out answers. And my initial questions may not be very well phrased, but hopefully it's enough to get the ball rolling.

Herme -what-ics?

 

[webdog]

It is the ability to play the her-monica

 

[npetreley]

Never studied Pelagius...was he the sith lord in Star Wars?

Sorry, I don't believe you. If we see everything through Calvin even after we've repeatedly said we haven't read Calvin, then you must be seeing everything through Pelagius, even if you SAY you haven't studied him. Too bad. You're stuck with the stereotype now. Pelagius lover.

 

[webdog]

Sorry, I don't believe you. If we see everything through Calvin even after we've repeatedly said we haven't read Calvin, then you must be seeing everything through Pelagius, even if you SAY you haven't studied him. Too bad. You're stuck with the stereotype now. Pelagius lover.

I've never once used the term "calvin lover" in 8000+ posts. Feel like being a grown up, npet?

 

[Jarthur001]

Not entirely true. It would be more of returning to one's roots, thatof God being true and all men liars. Scripture clearly teaches both the soveriegnty of God and free will of man.
One is born again as a non cal. One is indoctrinated into calvinism AFTER being born again.

I'll give you this...

One cannot be a Calvinist, till one studies the Bible. Ask anyone that holds to this doctrine and I think you will find they agree.

 

[npetreley]

I've never once used the term "calvin lover" in 8000+ posts. Feel like being a grown up, npet?

Wow! You can dish it out daily, but you sure can't take it - not even when it's just a parody of your own daily "junk" (changed at the request of a friend).

 

[donnA]

So my understanding (and the majority of believers) of Scirpture is purely "human understanding"?

You guys really need to get over yourselves! The prides is so thick you can cut it with a knife!

All you have to do is read christian writtings and listen to some of whats being taught to know that people are using human understanding to try and understand scripture.

 

[webdog]

Wow! You can dish it out daily, but you sure can't take it - not even when it's just a parody of your own daily "junk" (changed at the request of a friend).

Potty mouth, eh?

I can take it, but I also dish it right back.

 

[webdog]

All you have to do is read christian writtings and listen to some of whats being taught to know that people are using human understanding to try and understand scripture.

Exactly...TULIP.

 

[Rippon]

Here's your human understanding which is the very reverse of TULIP WD .

PCURP

P= partial depravity
C= conditional election
U= unlimited ,or universal atonement
R= resistable grace -to those He chose
P = I'll give you credit for that one . But it's just extra-credit .

 

[webdog]

Thanks for telling me what I believe...but I think I can handle it. It really looks nothing like what you posted, btw.

 

[Rippon]

Well , I dare say it's much closer to your beliefs than TULIP , WD .

 

[webdog]

Again, why not allow ME to tell YOU what I believe?