What ever happened to “sound Doctrine”?

[dcorbett]

They visit, might stay around for awhile, never join; leave after hearing preaching against the Charismatic movement which is bound to come up some time or another.

There was a nice lady who started attending our church. She became a regular for about 6 months, and then, one Sunday, she didn't show up, and after that, she was never there. I asked a deacon, he said "she was charismatic and kept trying to convince us that is was biblical, when we showed her she was wrong, she was sad and left"

Pastor asked her to pick up a poisonous snake if the gifts were still available.....and she couldn't.

 

[convicted1]

Here is what has happened to sound doctrine. It has been swept out the church doors with the trash in place of the "feel good" stories the preachers preach nowadays. They state all you have to do is come and give them your hand, repeat this prayer after him, and wal-lah, you're saved!!! No mention of a Godly sorrow being set up in one's life, no preaching repentance, no begging and crying to the Lord for His undeserved mercy, just come and give them your hand.....

Another thing is the "health/wealth" garbage being passed down through the tee vees. Send us your $10,000 seed, and we'll buy new clothes, houses, cars...err, I mean, God will bless you with a TEN FOLD gift!! I think it was P.T. Barnum that stated, "A sucker is born every minute!" Look at all the churches who support what I just posted. Preach about how God delivered your coon dog from the bite of a rattlesnake, and the church will erupt in shouts!! Tell them about how God delivered them from hell by Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, and you'll hear crickets chirping like everytime Daffy Duck went to get applause from the audience.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

After reading a few responses on the “Pentecostal Baptist?” thread, I am starting to understand what is happening to sound Doctrine; (It’s being thrown out the window!)

It is strange how so many “Baptists” are forgetting what the Bible says about “tongues” & “women preachers/teachers” etc.
But then reading the OP of the other thread, about the person who is “coming out”(or as I see it, “falling away”), it is getting easer to see the writing on the wall.......
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For the past few months, our Church has been “slowly” studying through John 17:, and for the past two Wednesday nights we have been stuck in V.21, because of the Lord’s prayer.......
“That they all may be one;....”

The sticking point is the fact that some say, since this is the Lord’s prayer, than it was/will be answered; While others are seeing the facts about the condition of the Body of Christ, and are coming to the conclusion that this prayer just "will not" be answered.

i.e How can we be “one”, when so many “Christians” hold to differing Doctrine.
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We have ironed it out somewhat, by applying it to individual Christians and being “one in Christ”.

But one of the things that came out in this study, was the realization that some Christians(like those at our Church), only have one source of authority in matters of “doctrine”: .........“The Bible”.

While seemingly more and more Christians, are looking to “men” for answers.
This is why the Pentecostals, can accept so much error, in their Doctrine, when we can’t.

I also shared an experience I had, with a local acquaintance of mine, who is a Pentecostal: How we started to build a friendship, by way of conversations and emails, until I brought up how unbiblical tongues was....and I never heard from him again.

I pointed out, that if the tables were turned and a fellow Christian were to tell me, how unbiblical eternal security was, that I would ask him out for coffee, so we could talk more about it. But most Pentecostals I have met, are unwilling to open themselves up to a Biblical discussion about their beliefs.(Kind of like some Calvinists I know).
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I praise the Lord for my Church and it’s “convictions” in the area of Doctrine;
But my heart brakes for the thousands of other Christians and a growing number of Churches, who see gaining new members, as more important than sound Doctrine.

If you're looking for sound doctrine, why on Earth are you here?

 

[revmwc]

If you're looking for sound doctrine, why on Earth are you here?

So you are saying you can't give sound Doctrine? :laugh: Interesting.

A believer can always glean "Sound Doctrine" from any discussion.

 

[Gershom]

Pastor asked her to pick up a poisonous snake if the gifts were still available.....and she couldn't.

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

Matthew 4:5-7

 

[JohnDeereFan]

So you are saying you can't give sound Doctrine? :laugh: Interesting.

I'm saying that BaptistBoard is extremely liberal and most of the people who have taken over wouldn't know sound doctrine if they tripped over it.

 

[revmwc]

I'm saying that BaptistBoard is extremely liberal and most of the people who have taken over wouldn't know sound doctrine if they tripped over it.

By your statement it sounded like you were saying EVERYONE on BB has no sound doctrine, which would include you if you post.

 

[Baptist4life]

By your statement it sounded like you were saying EVERYONE on BB has no sound doctrine, which would include you if you post.

No, he/she said "MOST", and I tend to agree with that.

Originally Posted by JohnDeereFan
I'm saying that BaptistBoard is extremely liberal and most of the people who have taken over wouldn't know sound doctrine if they tripped over it.

 

[revmwc]

No, he/she said "MOST", and I tend to agree with that.

I should have said his/her original statement in post 23.

Here is what was said

"If you're looking for sound doctrine, why on Earth are you here?"

That to me says there is noone here that supplies it, there is no most in the statement. But it was my fault for not saying in the original post, forgive me.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

By your statement it sounded like you were saying EVERYONE on BB has no sound doctrine, which would include you if you post.

I don't see how you could have gotten that but then, I don't see how most of the people here think what they do.

 

[revmwc]

I don't see how you could have gotten that but then, I don't see how most of the people here think what they do.

When you say" if your looking for sound doctrine, why come here?" Umm isn't that saying there is none here? That's how I read it sorry if you meant it a different way.

 

[Havensdad]

But things like how long hair on a man should be or whether its a sin to smoke tobacco or just dumb, those fall under the heading of "liberty in Christ".

How to discern the difference? Well that is "sound doctrine" put into practice and you learn by doing.

I agree with the tobacco comment; it is not specifically covered by scripture.

But how can you say something that the Bible calls "shameful" (men having long hair), something that "falls under" the heading of "liberty in Christ?" Homosexual acts are also called "shameful"...do those also fall under that heading?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

When you say" if your looking for sound doctrine, why come here?" Umm isn't that saying there is none here? That's how I read it sorry if you meant it a different way.

Whatever. ...

 

[revmwc]

Whatever. ...

Didn't mean to get you mad sorry.

 

[humblethinker]

I agree with the tobacco comment; it is not specifically covered by scripture.

But how can you say something that the Bible calls "shameful" (men having long hair), something that "falls under" the heading of "liberty in Christ?" Homosexual acts are also called "shameful"...do those also fall under that heading?

You bring up a point that I find interesting. I havent studied it out yet, but I'm thinking it has more to do with an issue of culture and not so much one of command. There are commands specifically addressing... Um, well, the thing you referred to that's not-supposed-to-be-talked-about-here. Well, I digress, I'll just say that it's more of a cultural issue similar to the woman covering her head or having long hair and her adornings, foot washing, etc. Regarding culture, this is a topic I'd like to create a new thread on...

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Didn't mean to get you mad sorry.

Yeah, whatever.

 

[revmwc]

Yeah, whatever.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: :godisgood:

 

[Havensdad]

You bring up a point that I find interesting. I havent studied it out yet, but I'm thinking it has more to do with an issue of culture and not so much one of command. There are commands specifically addressing... Um, well, the thing you referred to that's not-supposed-to-be-talked-about-here. Well, I digress, I'll just say that it's more of a cultural issue similar to the woman covering her head or having long hair and her adornings, foot washing, etc. Regarding culture, this is a topic I'd like to create a new thread on...

This is where so much error is introduced into the church. We cannot point to "culture" every time the Bible gives us a command, so that we re-write the word of God in our own image.

Paul does not base his statement on culture. He does not say "that is just not accepted, here." He says


1Co 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
1Co 11:15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.


So, it is not a "cultural" thing. "Nature" here is the same word used in Romans 1:26...

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

In other words, short hair on women, and long hair on men, is intrinsically wrong, the same way that homosexuality is.

Also, I do not believe the rules forbid the mention of homosexuality, since this would exclude scripture, but the in depth discussion of it.

 

[HankD]

What ever happened to “sound Doctrine”?

Sound doctrine has been under attack from day one.

1 John 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.​

It will get worse:​

2 Timothy 3
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

The devil is the origin (of course) and his prime target is the word of God.​

Matthew 13
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.​

The devil has counterfeit believers and ministers:​

Matthew 13
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.​

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.​

How it will end:​

Matthew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.​

HankD​

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What ever happened to “sound Doctrine”?

It went out the door & in the garbage & now welcome to the Apostasy Magic Show.

Dont believe me....come up to New Jersey on any given Sunday!:tear: