What happens if you die while you're sinning?

[Brother Bob]

You do err DHK;
For it says to fall away and to do that in the first place it would have to be possible and I think that Scripture is telling us how impossible it is. Don't understand the attack but ok. Now in order to fall I would have to lie as you say and I don't, maybe others but I spend my life trying to do what the Lord has told me to and to lie is to miss Heaven for the Scripture also tells us there will be no liars in Heaven. I sure you are not one of them DHK. Also, I do keep the Commandments for it is ordered of the Lord that I do so and not only that I have something to help me keep them called the Holy Ghost. I am sure you have heard of it haven't you? As for me and my house we serve the Lord and certainly not teach others that "no matter" you still make it to Heaven. Hell will be full of people like that I am sorry to say. If you don't think the world is watching you then you never had your faith tried but they are and when they see you and others telling their members don't commit adultery but if you do its alright you still going to Heaven then the world will say and do say they are not better than us.

Now the Post you just made was concerning a Scripture of the Lord and if you have a problem with God's word then you sir are in trouble.

 

[J. Jump]

J.Jump said "When the church is talked about in the Bible it is always talking about true believers. It's never talking about true believers mixed with fake believers."

i bet the bible will say otherwise.

Let's see you quote my quote which was talking explicitly about the church and then you comment on my comment.

So you stayed in context and the context was the church. So yes your comments were about the church. If you meant to say otherwise then you should not have included my quote, because my quote was talking about how the Bible views the church.

When the Bible talks about the church it is speaking of believers. It does not include folks that are faking it or otherwise. The church in the Bible is the entire group of saved individuals.

You said to that belief I believe the Bible says otherwise. That is a direct statement refuting how the Bible views the church. You were talking about the church and were proven wrong. Now just eat your crow and we can move on.

 

[gekko]

J.Jump - you still have not answered my question as to the meaning of the parable of the sower.

and the bible says that only God knows the heart of man - no?

and who said that we can tell? we can though - by the way they act - and the way they speak - and by their actions - see if they are true or not.

quote from True/False Conversion by Ray Comfort:

"There was no seal of approval upon Demas. And if you study 2 Timothy 4:10 you’ll see, “Demas has forsaken me,
having loved this present world.” And it’s as though Paul looked at Demas and thought, “Yeah, I really don’t know
about you. There’s something not quite right. I’m not going to say, ‘If Demas comes to you, receive him.’” “Demas
has forsaken me, having loved this present world.” A false convert. He didn’t just look back, he went back. He
was not fit for the Kingdom, and the word “fit” is eusetto, which means “ready for use.” "

like the word says "only God knows the heart of man" - but man can see the outside fruits - if they are true - they will have good fruits. no if's and's or but's there. the word says it.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I took the liberty of going to the greek for each instance 'kingdom of heaven' is listed in Matthew. Here is what I found

kingdom of heaven 32 times...

3772. ouranos
Search for G3772 in KJVSL
ouranoV ouranos oo-ran-os'

perhaps from the same as 3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity):--air, heaven(-ly), sky.

See Greek 3735

3735:
3735. oros
Search for G3735 in KJVSL
oroV oros or'-os

probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).

See Greek 142
See Greek 3733

kingdom of heaven is not translated kingdom of the heavens.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
You do err DHK;
For it says to fall away and to do that in the first place it would have to be possible and I think that Scripture is telling us how impossible it is. Don't understand the attack but ok. Now in order to fall I would have to lie as you say and I don't, maybe others but I spend my life trying to do what the Lord has told me to and to lie is to miss Heaven for the Scripture also tells us there will be no liars in Heaven. I sure you are not one of them DHK. Also, I do keep the Commandments for it is ordered of the Lord that I do so and not only that I have something to help me keep them called the Holy Ghost. I am sure you have heard of it haven't you? As for me and my house we serve the Lord and certainly not teach others that "no matter" you still make it to Heaven. Hell will be full of people like that I am sorry to say. If you don't think the world is watching you then you never had your faith tried but they are and when they see you and others telling their members don't commit adultery but if you do its alright you still going to Heaven then the world will say and do say they are not better than us.

Now the Post you just made was concerning a Scripture of the Lord and if you have a problem with God's word then you sir are in trouble.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Then according to your own theology Jesus Christ is a liar and there is no truth in you.

Is this not correct? I am only going by the Scriptures here. My original intent was to ask you questions on the passage that you quoted to find out where you stood.
DHK

 

[Brother Bob]

The Bible teaches the true Church is without sin.

There are also Churches that were set up most by Apostle Paul that had in their congregation the unsaved but they were only in the visible part not the true Church which is in the heart and soul.

 

[gekko]

yes. and what about the church of the laodiceans? (sp?)

 

[Brother Bob]

Oh, I have never said I haven't sinned since being saved that is impossible but I have not sinned a sin unto death as you would have us to believe we can. There is a sin and there is a sin unto death and the Bible says not even to pray for that man, want to know why.

Hebrews, chapter 6

"4": For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"5": And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

"6": If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
The Bible teaches the true Church is without sin.

There are also Churches that were set up most by Apostle Paul that had in their congregation the unsaved but they were only in the visible part not the true Church which is in the heart and soul.

Was the church at Corinth without sin? Did not Paul address them as believers?

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

 

[Brother Bob]

I ask you, do you think Apostle Paul went out and committed those acts of adultery, lying, stealing, killing after he was saved?

I desire to be perfect but will not reach that until the resurrection when I will be raised incorruptle. Amen to that,

 

[DHK]

What is a sin unto death?
How do you know that you have not committed it?
I doubt if you really know what it is?
What is the difference between adultery and lying?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
DHK

 

[Brother Bob]

Don't you know that Apostle Paul set up most of those churches which consisted of the saved and unsaved. It was the beginning of the Christian Church and Paul trying to convert the Jews to Christianity and certainly there were among them that sinned unto death but they were not of the true Church which is in the heart and soul. I seek such to worship me in spirit and truth.

 

[Brother Bob]

Apostle Paul used the Ten Commandments every time He taught us the Law.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
I ask you, do you think Apostle Paul went out and committed those acts of adultery, lying, stealing, killing after he was saved?

I desire to be perfect but will not reach that until the resurrection when I will be raised incorruptle. Amen to that,

Even the Apostle Paul admitted to sin after he was saved.

Romans 7:23-24 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Not sure which sins Paul committed after his becoming a believer, but it is evident he did sin.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Notice Paul did not say 'I was chief,' but rather, 'I am chief.'

Paul recognized that 'For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.'

And he recoginized that he was in the present tense, chief of sinners.

 

[Brother Bob]

Not sin unto death he did not.
He spoke against the Law of Circumcision, Law of Sacrifices, Ceremonial Law but the Law of the Commandments said was what taught us sin and I will add sin unto death.

 

[Brother Bob]

Apostle Paul spoke of the thorn in the flesh. I ask both of you do you think Paul committed Adultery, killed, lied, stole etc and then went out and peached against it? He would of been like the Pharasees.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Again, we do not know what sins Paul committed. As to the thorn in the flesh, I believe that thorn was Alexander the coppersmith who did him much evil.

The word tells us the thorn was a messenger of satan, to buffet him. I do not believe that thorn was a sin that Paul was committing.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Don't you know that Apostle Paul set up most of those churches which consisted of the saved and unsaved. It was the beginning of the Christian Church and Paul trying to convert the Jews to Christianity and certainly there were among them that sinned unto death but they were not of the true Church which is in the heart and soul. I seek such to worship me in spirit and truth.

A church is a body of baptized believers. Are you accusing Paul that he would allow unsaved individuals into the churches that he began? You are very naive. It is akin to a false allegation against the Apostle Paul since he taught us the principles of what a church should be. You are denying the very words of Scripture.
DHK

 

[Brother Bob]

Why this:You are very naive. It is akin to a false allegation against the Apostle Paul since he taught us the principles of what a church should be. You are denying the very words of Scripture.
DHK

That is why we get so hot under the collar on BB and you are a moderator yet I get my posts snipped.

Paul had no control over this and neither do we other than to get rid of it when it shows itself.

Galatians, chapter 2
"4": And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: