Posted by Tam
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak mean?
Secondly, concerning your question about healing, most of the Apostles, when they exercised the gift of healing, they healed all who came to them. Philip healed all that came to him in Samaria. Paul healed all that came to him:
Acts 19:11-12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Peter healed all that came to him:
Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
There is no one alive that has the gift of healing such as the apostles and early believers did. At certain points in their ministries they healed ALL that came to them. If the spiritual gifts are for today, then this would also be true of today. Why isn't it?
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Posted by MEE:
Posted by Music4Him
--I don't believe in women preachers. They usurp the authority of a man. Paul says plainly I suffer (or do not allow) a woman to teach or usurp authority over a man. And that is what she would be doing in preaching, whether in the church or in an open air meeting.
Posted again by Music4Him
Sure, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That doesn't mean that He works in the same way throughout every age. Does He speak to you in a burning bush like He did to Moses. Let me know about it when He does.
Posted by Tam:
The issue was tongues. The context of the chapter is tongues. These ladies in 1Cor.14 thought themselves spiritual enough to stand up in the service and start speaking in tongues. That was the problem. The problem that you have today is a stubbornness not to admit that tongues is not for today. It has ceased.
DHK
Good for you. This is not a church; it is a discussion board. Welcome to the foray.
If tongues is a gift for today, then so are all the restrictions that Paul placed on them on in 1Cor.14. Why do you think you can choose to obey the Bible in one place and disobey it in another? Chapter 14 clearly lays down the restrictions for speaking in tongues. Women speaking in tongues was forbidden. That was one of the restrictions. It is very clear. Take your argument up with God. What else would:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak mean?
Secondly, concerning your question about healing, most of the Apostles, when they exercised the gift of healing, they healed all who came to them. Philip healed all that came to him in Samaria. Paul healed all that came to him:
Acts 19:11-12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Peter healed all that came to him:
Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
There is no one alive that has the gift of healing such as the apostles and early believers did. At certain points in their ministries they healed ALL that came to them. If the spiritual gifts are for today, then this would also be true of today. Why isn't it?
Again posted by Tam:
On what basis? Not on the basis of the Word of God. What you have is a cheap imitation of the real thing. You practice a phenomena that didn't start until 1901. Explain why all the believers for 1800 years before that time did without tongues. Explain why those who practice Voo-doo also speak in tongues, as well as Mormons and Hindus? This is real evidence of the Holy Spirit isn't it, when people whose religion is controlled by Satan speak in tongues. Perhaps it gives you a clue about the source of your so-called "gift."
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Yes, that is a distinct possibility. And thus the restriction was put in place. But it was never lifted, and we have no right to impose on the Word of God the restrictions that God has placed there, for what ever the reason was. Just think: there is a perfect example from Scripture—women talk more than men.
I never said they were. They were commanded to be silent in the church. They were not commanded to be deaf and dumb. Good Grief!!
And your point here is??
Posted by MEE:
Yes, we have women in our church. They teach Sunday School to the children. But none speak in tongues. In fact no one speaks in tongues. Tongues has ceased. It is an unscriptural practice. The context in 1Cor.14 is speaking in tongues.
Posted by Music4Him
1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
--I don't believe in women preachers. They usurp the authority of a man. Paul says plainly I suffer (or do not allow) a woman to teach or usurp authority over a man. And that is what she would be doing in preaching, whether in the church or in an open air meeting.
Posted again by Music4Him
Can you prove all this. Not one of you have met my challenge yet. That would be the proof that the spiritual gifts have not ceased. Go to the hospitals and walk through the corridors and heal ALL that are sick. Why can none of the thousands of tongue-speakers from Pentecostals, to Charismatics, to the Third Wave, and including all the other groups that speak in tongues—none can heal all that come to them. Why? The spiritual gifts are not for today. That is why.
Sure, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That doesn't mean that He works in the same way throughout every age. Does He speak to you in a burning bush like He did to Moses. Let me know about it when He does.
Posted by Tam:
So your view is that God doesn't mean what He says. When He says that women should be silent in the church and are commanded to be quiet. Your interpretation is: "Naw God, we know you don't mean what you say, you really mean that we just should only talk a little less than we already do." Right! You folks like to argue with God, don't you? You can't accept what He says. It really, really bothers you.
Big deal. I was in a third world country and had the opportunity of starting a number of churches. Guess what. The men sat on one side of the church, and the women sat on the other with the children. In some of the churches the children would sit by themselves in the front. There was no building. They sat on mats on the ground in an open field somewhere. They were too poor to have a church building. They never had the problem that you are describing. That wasn't it.
The issue was tongues. The context of the chapter is tongues. These ladies in 1Cor.14 thought themselves spiritual enough to stand up in the service and start speaking in tongues. That was the problem. The problem that you have today is a stubbornness not to admit that tongues is not for today. It has ceased.
DHK
