What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?

[atpollard]

Yet clearly Jesus‘ “rightly dividing” Torah was so antithetical to his contemporaries that they executed Him as a Blasphemer. I keep thinking of his famous words

Matthew 5:27-28, 33-34, 38-39, 43-44 [ESV]
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ...
33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.' 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, ...
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. ...
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

 

[JesusFan]

More than likely, you are referring to false teachings by Pentecostals & Charismatics that apply certain events in the Book of Acts as if saved believers are receiving the Holy Spirit more than once and it has filtered its way into the Baptist churches.

I am aware of the misapplication of scriptures, but I prefer that you show me which reference you are believing as if a saved believer can receive the Holy Spirit more than once.

FYI, John 14:25-26 is Jesus saying when the Comforter will come and that is when He is no longer present with them and so those 2 incidences that His disciples had received the holy Spirit, this was temporary per Matthew 10th chapter & John 20:22 since Jesus gave them that temporary infilling of the Holy Ghost.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So His remaining disciples were not officially saved as in born again of the Spirit until Pentecost.

But feel free to share any scriptures that has led you to believe otherwise, and God be willing, I shall get back to you or He will show you the truth ahead of time.

But one indwelling, but can have many infillings

 

[JesusFan]

This is a totally wrong. I'm done with you. I will not interact with you anymore, and am putting you on ignore. You keep lying about me. I DO NOT see the filling of the Holy Spirit as a "sign" that God is calling me into the ministry. I NEVER SAID that, and don't believe it, and you are dishonest to say that I did.

It's not worth the effort to debate someone who continually prevaricates about me.

When you minister, and we any of us do anything rightly for the Lord, will have pouring /leaking out of us the empowering of the Holy Spirit to do our assigned task, and just as jesus modeled to us, must go back to the Father and seeking to be now refilled by the Holy Spirit to go back out to work with the peoples of this world again now

 

[JesusFan]

I actually have 2 Bibles I study from. The Tree of Life Version and the Complete Jewish Study Bible by the late David H. Stern.
Isaiah 53 is a futuristic view of Messiah as recorded in the B'rit Hadashah (New Testament).


A Rabbi Like No Other

Julius Wellhausen (1844-1918) was a German Bible critic with little sympathy for ancient Judaism. Yet his insights about Jesus have been
quoted by many Jewish leaders through the years: "Jesus was not a Christian; he was a Jew. He did not preach a new faith, but taught men
to do the will of God; and in his opinion, as also in that of the Jews, the will of God was to be found in the Law of Moses and in other
books of Scripture."
Jesus not a Christian, but a Jew? Prof. Shaye I. D. Cohen, a Jewish historian who has taught at the Jewish Seminary, Harvard University, and
Brown University, reminds us of just how Jewish Jesus was:
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends,
associates, colleagues, disciples----all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogue.
He preached from Jewish texts from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew.

According to Prof. Joseph Klausner, Jesus
.....keeps the ceremonial laws like an observing Jew: he wears "fringes"; he goes up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Unleavened Bread,
he celebrates the "Seder" [the traditional Passover meal], blesses the bread over the wine; he dips the various herbs into the haroseth,
drinks the "four cups" of wine [again, referring to the Passover meal] and concludes with the Hallel [a prayer based on the Psalms].

As far Jesus not being a "Christian," the word was not coined until more than a decade after his death, it occurs just three times in the
New Testament (Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Pet. 4:16), and it was not widely used as a designation for Jesus' followers until the second century.
And from what we can tell, the term "Christian" was coined by outsiders, possibly as a term of derision, the equivalent of calling followers
of Muhammad something like "Muhammadites."

Obviously, Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. Yet he was more than that. He was also a rabbi (although, to be clear, not in the sense of
a modern congregational rabbi). This of course, is common knowledge to many, but for others it is startling news. After all, the
traditional thinking goes like this: A Jewish religious leader is called a rabbi, but a Christian religious leader is called a pastor. And since
Jesus was the founder of Christianity, his disciples would have called him a pastor, as in Pastor Christ.

Well, that certainly would have been news to his first disciples, all of them Jews. They never heard of "Christianity" in their lifetimes.
And Yeshua's first followers went to synagogue on Saturday not church on Sunday, celebrated Hanukkah not Christmas (come to think
of it, they never heard of Christmas either), and referred to any popular teacher as rabbi, using it as a title of honor and respect.

Does this sound confusing to you? Does it appear that I am mixing two religions together or that I am claiming that Christianity
doesn't exist----or that it's actually Jewish? YOU decide!

Shalom

Do you see the Church as now being spiritual Israel called out by God all saved both Jews and Gentiles in the New Covenant then?