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What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?

Dr. Bob

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. . . saves the fighting for IMPORTANT matters like Church donnybrooks over whether a REAL BAPTIST only sings songs written before 1900
If it wasn't written before 1750 it's probably a Gospel song about "me" and not a real hymn about "God" anyway. 1900 makes you a pink lemonade-sippin' modernist.
 

David Koberstein

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If it wasn't written before 1750 it's probably a Gospel song about "me" and not a real hymn about "God" anyway. 1900 makes you a pink lemonade-sippin' modernist.
Why is there so many sex scandals at the IFB universities like Liberty, Hyles Anderson, and Tennessee temple? It seems like IFB legalism and immorality go hand in hand.
Shalom
 

MrW

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I write and produce my own songs, as the Holy Spirit grants them to me. I do love old hymns more than most of today’s CCM.
 

atpollard

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If it wasn't written before 1750 it's probably a Gospel song about "me" and not a real hymn about "God" anyway. 1900 makes you a pink lemonade-sippin' modernist.
Growing up as a Lilly and Holly before embracing the atheism of my father, Church Music was always “thematic“ predictable and seasonally ‘seeker friendly’.
When I was dragged from atheism to Christianity by the Holy Spirit, I found it perplexing (as an outsider) that songs in church all fell into two groups … music written before my grandfather was born, or contemporary songs about how lucky Jesus is to have me as a follower. It was perplexing that there seemed to be no middle ground inside the church building. I was able to find the music EXISTED outside of church, but it never seemed to make it inside the church doors. Ancient hymnals with yellow pages or bad “contemporary” pop songs were the only two options.
 

David Koberstein

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Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Go ye therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and the Son, ect.........

Wouldn't you agree that Matthew 28:19-20 is a direct command from Jesus?

Therefore, Baptism is regarded as the first act of obedience after salvation. If a person truly believes Jesus and loves Jesus, why would they not get baptized?

All scriptural baptisms were immersion. Sprinkling is what is not scriptural.
Neither is Sunday the sabbath scriptural. The Shabbat is the 7th day of the week as commanded in the Torah of the Tanakh (Old Testament)
Shalom
 

atpollard

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Neither is Sunday the sabbath scriptural. The Shabbat is the 7th day of the week as commanded in the Torah of the Tanakh (Old Testament)
Shalom
Is it not interesting that Jesus specifically references all the other commandments and then REPEATEDLY violated
Shabbat "traditions" [Jesus never violated the Law] ... but on the subject of 'observing sabbath', Jesus stated Mark 2:27!

Nobody can change Saturday into Sunday, but we can meet "on the first day of the week" to praise God [That is not forbidden by any Law!]

Shalom shalom ;)
 

David Koberstein

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Is it not interesting that Jesus specifically references all the other commandments and then REPEATEDLY violated
Shabbat "traditions" [Jesus never violated the Law] ... but on the subject of 'observing sabbath', Jesus stated Mark 2:27!

Nobody can change Saturday into Sunday, but we can meet "on the first day of the week" to praise God [That is not forbidden by any Law!]

Shalom shalom ;)
Tithing is not scriptural in the B'rit Hadashah.
Tithing went away as well as animal sacrifices when the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. There was no need to support the Levitical priesthood when the 2nd Temple was destroyed. If someone tells you to tithe to a church; they are trying to scam you and they do not know Scripture.
Shalom
 

atpollard

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Tithing is not scriptural in the B'rit Hadashah.
Tithing went away as well as animal sacrifices when the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. There was no need to support the Levitical priesthood when the 2nd Temple was destroyed. If someone tells you to tithe to a church; they are trying to scam you and they do not know Scripture.
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I 100% agree.

I also believe that “God loves a cheerful giver” and each should “purpose in his heart” what he would give to both support the place where they fellowship (I like Air Conditioning and don’t object to supporting it) and giving to the needy. 10% is as good a figure as any, but completely a personal choice. For me it is more important to mentally give “off the top” rather than “what is left over” since I struggle to remember Who is my real provider (baggage from my past).

[FYI: By “commandments” in the earliest post, I meant the 10 not the 613. :) ]
 

JesusFan

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Neither is Sunday the sabbath scriptural. The Shabbat is the 7th day of the week as commanded in the Torah of the Tanakh (Old Testament)
Shalom
Neither was Jewish Sabbath ever imposed back upon Church in the New Covenant, as they gathered first day of week to celebrate the messiah and His new covenant with Yahweh brought about by Yeshua now
 
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JesusFan

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Tithing is not scriptural in the B'rit Hadashah.
Tithing went away as well as animal sacrifices when the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. There was no need to support the Levitical priesthood when the 2nd Temple was destroyed. If someone tells you to tithe to a church; they are trying to scam you and they do not know Scripture.
Shalom
This falls under how one is convicted and preferred reading of the NT as one must do what they see as right thing, as God honors their decision if done with right intent either way
 

David Koberstein

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I 100% agree.

I also believe that “God loves a cheerful giver” and each should “purpose in his heart” what he would give to both support the place where they fellowship (I like Air Conditioning and don’t object to supporting it) and giving to the needy. 10% is as good a figure as any, but completely a personal choice. For me it is more important to mentally give “off the top” rather than “what is left over” since I struggle to remember Who is my real provider (baggage from my past).

[FYI: By “commandments” in the earliest post, I meant the 10 not the 613. :) ]
I help the needy in the church by giving to the deacons fund. I've been blessed financially in order to others that are less fortunate.
Shalom
 

MrW

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To each his own. I prefer Messianic music because I am a Messianic Jew. My speculation is that you are a believing Gentile and prefer the traditional hymns of the Christian faith.

Shalom
I like many of the hymns, and I like a variety of music that glorifies God. I write different styles. “Sing unto the LORD a new song; sing unto the LORD all the earth.”

I was born a physical Gentile but reborn a saint. In Christ, there is no Jew nor Gentile but we are all one new man in Him, for there is no difference—all have sinned and all made alive in Christ are the same in Him, a new creation.
 

David Koberstein

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I like many of the hymns, and I like a variety of music that glorifies God. I write different styles. “Sing unto the LORD a new song; sing unto the LORD all the earth.”

I was born a physical Gentile but reborn a saint. In Christ, there is no Jew nor Gentile but we are all one new man in Him, for there is no difference—all have sinned and all made alive in Christ are the same in Him, a new creation.
While that is true in a spiritual sense. I see more Jewish ✡️ influence in America than I do Christian.
Shalom
 

David Koberstein

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How were you introduced to Yeshua then?
I was introduced to Yeshua in 2020 during the pandemic. I was hunkered down in my home and I began reading and purchasing Messianic books and my Messianic Bible.
I met Corrie Ten Boom at my grandmother's home as a little boy and that's the first time I heard about Holocaust.
Shalom
 

JesusFan

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I was introduced to Yeshua in 2020 during the pandemic. I was hunkered down in my home and I began reading and purchasing Messianic books and my Messianic Bible.
I met Corrie Ten Boom at my grandmother's home as a little boy and that's the first time I heard about Holocaust.
Shalom
When you mean messianic bible, do you mean the edition produced by David Stern then? And what did you think when read in Hebrew Isaiah 53?
 
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