David Koberstein
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Why is there so many sex scandals at the IFB universities like Liberty, Hyles Anderson, and Tennessee temple? It seems like IFB legalism and immorality go hand in hand.
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What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?
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Hey, shouldn’t talk bad about Fanny Crosby!
David Koberstein
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atpollard
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Growing up as a Lilly and Holly before embracing the atheism of my father, Church Music was always “thematic“ predictable and seasonally ‘seeker friendly’.
When I was dragged from atheism to Christianity by the Holy Spirit, I found it perplexing (as an outsider) that songs in church all fell into two groups … music written before my grandfather was born, or contemporary songs about how lucky Jesus is to have me as a follower. It was perplexing that there seemed to be no middle ground inside the church building. I was able to find the music EXISTED outside of church, but it never seemed to make it inside the church doors. Ancient hymnals with yellow pages or bad “contemporary” pop songs were the only two options.
David Koberstein
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Neither is Sunday the sabbath scriptural. The Shabbat is the 7th day of the week as commanded in the Torah of the Tanakh (Old Testament)
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atpollard
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Is it not interesting that Jesus specifically references all the other commandments and then REPEATEDLY violated
Shabbat "traditions" [Jesus never violated the Law] ... but on the subject of 'observing sabbath', Jesus stated Mark 2:27!
Nobody can change Saturday into Sunday, but we can meet "on the first day of the week" to praise God [That is not forbidden by any Law!]
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David Koberstein
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Tithing is not scriptural in the B'rit Hadashah.Is it not interesting that Jesus specifically references all the other commandments and then REPEATEDLY violated
Shabbat "traditions" [Jesus never violated the Law] ... but on the subject of 'observing sabbath', Jesus stated Mark 2:27!
Nobody can change Saturday into Sunday, but we can meet "on the first day of the week" to praise God [That is not forbidden by any Law!]
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Tithing went away as well as animal sacrifices when the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. There was no need to support the Levitical priesthood when the 2nd Temple was destroyed. If someone tells you to tithe to a church; they are trying to scam you and they do not know Scripture.
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atpollard
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I 100% agree.
I also believe that “God loves a cheerful giver” and each should “purpose in his heart” what he would give to both support the place where they fellowship (I like Air Conditioning and don’t object to supporting it) and giving to the needy. 10% is as good a figure as any, but completely a personal choice. For me it is more important to mentally give “off the top” rather than “what is left over” since I struggle to remember Who is my real provider (baggage from my past).
[FYI: By “commandments” in the earliest post, I meant the 10 not the 613.
]Neither was Jewish Sabbath ever imposed back upon Church in the New Covenant, as they gathered first day of week to celebrate the messiah and His new covenant with Yahweh brought about by Yeshua now
This falls under how one is convicted and preferred reading of the NT as one must do what they see as right thing, as God honors their decision if done with right intent either way
David Koberstein
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I help the needy in the church by giving to the deacons fund. I've been blessed financially in order to others that are less fortunate.I 100% agree.
I also believe that “God loves a cheerful giver” and each should “purpose in his heart” what he would give to both support the place where they fellowship (I like Air Conditioning and don’t object to supporting it) and giving to the needy. 10% is as good a figure as any, but completely a personal choice. For me it is more important to mentally give “off the top” rather than “what is left over” since I struggle to remember Who is my real provider (baggage from my past).
[FYI: By “commandments” in the earliest post, I meant the 10 not the 613.
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Messianic music is good, but so is Fanny Crosby.
David Koberstein
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I like many of the hymns, and I like a variety of music that glorifies God. I write different styles. “Sing unto the LORD a new song; sing unto the LORD all the earth.”
I was born a physical Gentile but reborn a saint. In Christ, there is no Jew nor Gentile but we are all one new man in Him, for there is no difference—all have sinned and all made alive in Christ are the same in Him, a new creation.
David Koberstein
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influence in America than I do Christian.How were you introduced to Yeshua then?
David Koberstein
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I was introduced to Yeshua in 2020 during the pandemic. I was hunkered down in my home and I began reading and purchasing Messianic books and my Messianic Bible.
I met Corrie Ten Boom at my grandmother's home as a little boy and that's the first time I heard about Holocaust.
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When you mean messianic bible, do you mean the edition produced by David Stern then? And what did you think when read in Hebrew Isaiah 53?
David Koberstein
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I actually have 2 Bibles I study from. The Tree of Life Version and the Complete Jewish Study Bible by the late David H. Stern.
Isaiah 53 is a futuristic view of Messiah as recorded in the B'rit Hadashah (New Testament).
A Rabbi Like No Other
Julius Wellhausen (1844-1918) was a German Bible critic with little sympathy for ancient Judaism. Yet his insights about Jesus have been
quoted by many Jewish leaders through the years: "Jesus was not a Christian; he was a Jew. He did not preach a new faith, but taught men
to do the will of God; and in his opinion, as also in that of the Jews, the will of God was to be found in the Law of Moses and in other
books of Scripture."
Jesus not a Christian, but a Jew? Prof. Shaye I. D. Cohen, a Jewish historian who has taught at the Jewish Seminary, Harvard University, and
Brown University, reminds us of just how Jewish Jesus was:
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends,
associates, colleagues, disciples----all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogue.
He preached from Jewish texts from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew.
According to Prof. Joseph Klausner, Jesus
.....keeps the ceremonial laws like an observing Jew: he wears "fringes"; he goes up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Unleavened Bread,
he celebrates the "Seder" [the traditional Passover meal], blesses the bread over the wine; he dips the various herbs into the haroseth,
drinks the "four cups" of wine [again, referring to the Passover meal] and concludes with the Hallel [a prayer based on the Psalms].
As far Jesus not being a "Christian," the word was not coined until more than a decade after his death, it occurs just three times in the
New Testament (Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Pet. 4:16), and it was not widely used as a designation for Jesus' followers until the second century.
And from what we can tell, the term "Christian" was coined by outsiders, possibly as a term of derision, the equivalent of calling followers
of Muhammad something like "Muhammadites."
Obviously, Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. Yet he was more than that. He was also a rabbi (although, to be clear, not in the sense of
a modern congregational rabbi). This of course, is common knowledge to many, but for others it is startling news. After all, the
traditional thinking goes like this: A Jewish religious leader is called a rabbi, but a Christian religious leader is called a pastor. And since
Jesus was the founder of Christianity, his disciples would have called him a pastor, as in Pastor Christ.
Well, that certainly would have been news to his first disciples, all of them Jews. They never heard of "Christianity" in their lifetimes.
And Yeshua's first followers went to synagogue on Saturday not church on Sunday, celebrated Hanukkah not Christmas (come to think
of it, they never heard of Christmas either), and referred to any popular teacher as rabbi, using it as a title of honor and respect.
Does this sound confusing to you? Does it appear that I am mixing two religions together or that I am claiming that Christianity
doesn't exist----or that it's actually Jewish? YOU decide!
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