What if a pastor punches you?

[dianetavegia]

Well I know how old Blackbird and kids are and I know how old Benjamin is but not his children but I'll be looking forward to seeing how much 'power' you both have when your kids are ready to marry.

 

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Benjamin,

If you carry through with using "a stick", you could (and should) end up in legal trouble. Worse, you run the risk of alienating your daughter.

My daughter would be alienated from the fiancé from the onset; she has been taught that if a young man really loves her he will respect her enough to HEAR her beliefs and avoid temptations. She is also aware that a young man may not understand the purposes for being obedient to God and the blessing involved and may have to explain it. She not only would not be alienated from me she would turn the sucker in for instruction if she really liked him. True love is important to her and she knows the world is an ignorant place when it comes to understanding just how God’s plans for rewarding us His full blessings work through the instructions in His Word.

As for the “stick” if he truly loved her he would sit and look at it with respect while he learned the truth. If not he’d better run because it will come down on him. Do you really think I fear the legal trouble he could “try” to cause me? More than likely I would leave the court room making him look like a fool!

 

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
Well I know how old Blackbird and kids are and I know how old Benjamin is but not his children but I'll be looking forward to seeing how much 'power' you both have when your kids are ready to marry.

Just turned 47 and I'm benchpressing about twice my weight at present.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Despite your best intentions and raising them right, Benjamin, kids have a way of doing their own thing. Doesn't mean they will not get it right eventually, but kids don't always do what you expect. When she is old enough to have sex, she will also be old enough that peers have more influence than mom or dad.

 

[AVL1984]

But, the Lord can have more influence than them all.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

True, AVL, but have you ever know any PKs?

 

[AVL1984]

Yep. I surely do! And many of them have turned out great!

 

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Despite your best intentions and raising them right, Benjamin, kids have a way of doing their own thing. Doesn't mean they will not get it right eventually, but kids don't always do what you expect. When she is old enough to have sex, she will also be old enough that peers have more influence than mom or dad.

I know my influence has limits and my words are weak, but God’s words are strong and the truth in them must be seen. God’s word told me to instruct my children to know the Lord and to be wise which comes from knowledge, which leads to understanding, which will set them free. They are in the flesh and they have weaknesses and they may struggle. The question is how much of the truth they know and how much do they love the truth.

You see they already know that they will never be “old enough” to have sex out of God’s plan WITHOUT losing out on their blessing. They have been taught in detail how precious that blessing is, HOW easy it would be to lose it and HOW the world will work against them, and HOW to recognize the lies and the influences from “peers” who don’t know or understand the truth.

Let me ask you something, WHO wants me to believe that (DESPITE) my best, “kids have a way of doing their own thing”, “kids don’t always do what you expect”, “When she is old enough to have sex, she will also be old enough that peers have more influence than mom or dad.”, But HEY they might get it right eventually! STOP and think for a minute “WHO” wants me to believe in these things and TRUST in them? and WHY is it that person after person will try to convince me to the contrary, to cast doubt, that things will go wrong when I try to do right? Do you recognize the world trying to tell me a LIE? Should I believe a lie or should I hold on to my promises and instructions along with faith from God.

If someone tries to tell my daughter a LIE they better be good because she is very bright and she knows and loves the Truth.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Who could tell you such a thing, WHO could it be? WHO would want to make you think such?

Could it be . . . . Dana Carvey?

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by AVL1984:
I know as a youth, I was hit by two of our youth pastors in the face (slapped if you prefer). Though I was very much the rebel in those days, they had no legal or moral right to hit me for ANY reason. They were not my parents.

As a grown up, I was attacked physically by three preachers. One was a former pastor whom several of us had caught in an adulterous relationship. Another was the pastor of the church where I and another man served as "assistant" pastors. His father later attacked me at work in the restroom, pushing me up the wall til my feet were dangling and then hitting me with his fist. I nearly lost my job over that one because I would not press charges and it was on my employers property. I don't believe it is right for a pastor to strike anyone unless it is totally in self defense or in defense of his family.

You run with a rough crowd.

 

[Gib]

They were just giving Tony the 5-finger fellowship.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Gib:
They were just giving Tony the 5-finger fellowship.

I thought I've been to some extreme churches; I'm not even in his league. I haven't even been threatened by a preacher, let alone attacked.

 

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Who could tell you such a thing, WHO could it be? WHO would want to make you think such?

Could it be . . . . Dana Carvey?

(Pro 10:23) It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

(Pro 13:16) Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

 

[AVL1984]

Terry, these were very IFB-EXTREME people. They were very dictatorial in nature and could not handle anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, questioning their interpretation of the Bible. Thank the Lord that our eyes were opened and that we were led out of those types of churches. People who tell you that there aren't any "cult-like" churches in the Baptists are VERY WRONG. There are many. Unquestioned loyalty to the pastor instead of the Lord is the norm. Have you ever heard of a "One hundred percenter"? If you have, then you know what church I'm talking about.
False doctrine and misinterpreted doctrines abound in these churches. Many of these churches are mentioned and spoken of on the Fundamentalist Forums.

Gib, I didn't want the five finger fellowship. I wanted sound doctrine and questioning incorrectly taught doctrine was NOT acceptable. It was grounds for terror from the pastors and their henchmen.

 

[OCC]

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Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Despite your best intentions and raising them right, Benjamin, kids have a way of doing their own thing. Doesn't mean they will not get it right eventually, but kids don't always do what you expect. When she is old enough to have sex, she will also be old enough that peers have more influence than mom or dad.

Benjamin...Magnetic Poles was not telling you a "lie of the world". It was the truth. Kids will do what they will do...one time or another. Besides...if you are a Calvinist (don't know if you are) you have no way of knowing if your own kids are God's elect. He may hate them you know.

 

[Benjamin]

James,

I am not a Calvinist and as for Magnetic Poles I have not seen any compassion or sympathy from him toward the pastor whatsoever nor have I seen any acknowledgement of responsibility of the fiancé or any acknowledgement of the severity of the sin from the couple’s standpoint. His main focus has been to bring the (authority) “of the world” into the situation to resolve the problems of the pastors sin with total disregard of the true authority or a better way of avoiding the situation to begin with.

“He may hate them you know.”??? Exactly why I would not even start to believe the philosophy of men over the wisdom of God’s love.

 

[OCC]

Benjamin, I was being sarcastic towards Calvinism when I said "He may hate them you know". So we are in agreement then? Niether of us believes that God hates people? That He loves the world?

I really have no interest in this whole post...I just wanted you to be aware that sometimes kids do stray. Even Christian kids. That is due to free will.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by Benjamin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Who could tell you such a thing, WHO could it be? WHO would want to make you think such?

Could it be . . . . Dana Carvey?

(Pro 10:23) It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

(Pro 13:16) Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly. </font>[/QUOTE]Benjamin,

Before you go abusing scripture to call me a fool, best read Matthew 5:22, where Jesus warns against calling your brother a fool.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I also would say wait until your kids are older. Those who say the most sometimes have to eat those words. Kids will go their own way. I hope you don't have to deal with problems, but believe me, even kids from the best Christian homes get into trouble.

You are right about one thing...I have no sympathy toward a man who uses violence to strike out at another. His being a pastor has no bearing on that whatsoever.

 

[Benjamin]

Never said or believed my children wouldn’t struggle, only trying to point out a good mindset for them to have, but like all the other points I’ve tried to make you didn’t hear that or respond to it other than to tell me that my best intentions of raising them right would have less influence than their peers and as usual disregarded or discounted the Spiritual influence that they were being taught. Those verses were given as a bit of wisdom to point out the way you were responding as foolish not to directly call you a fool. I do apologize.

 

[Soulman]

Posted by dianetavegia: Soulman, is this Pastor of a specific teaching, i.e. Calvinism, Free Will, Arminian, etc? Seems like his response would be affected by his view of preordination.

Arminian. Sorry it took so long to get back to you.I don't think there was any question of the couples salvation. They were young and took their eyes off the Lord briefley. They did marry a couple of months ago.